Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post

I agree 100%, and I don't rate the win/lose bar as there haven't been terrorist attacks here, that's part of it though. When Obama took office, we were on the road to victory- in 2014, when ODipshit pulls our troops out of Afghanistan, I promise you, within 12 mos the Taliban will be back in power.
The problem isn't Obama. We were on our way out of Iraq & Afghanistan eventually and whenever we leave, the Islamists will not "take over in 12 mouths" - read the laws on the books right now in Iraq and Afghanistan. THEY ALREADY WON. They're getting billions in US aid. Their soldiers are being trained and equipped by us. Their roads and schools and hospitals built by us. Some harder-line Islamists may quibble with them but whenever the dust clears and whoever wins out they will have the US to thank for a bunch of shiny new infrastructure and US supplied military arms and munitions, along with the latest thinking on TTPs from the current best army in the world, and a decade of experience fighting us.