How to deal with a liberal on this whole gun control thing

[HBARleatherneck]

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[cstone]

you guys sure waste alot of energy. Follow me here, I dont know liberals and they dont cause me any worry. (not in daily life) Now you try.

I do know liberals and they don't cause me any worry.

Now politicians with any agenda, regardless of their political leaning cause me a great deal of concern.

[ChadAmberg]

Speak their language - "It's really sad that you support both collective punishment which is banned by the Geneva Conventions, and stripping away a whole set of human rights from people. I thought you were better than that."

[Dave_L]

Speak their language - "It's really sad that you support both collective punishment which is banned by the Geneva Conventions, and stripping away a whole set of human rights from people. I thought you were better than that."

This.

It's amazing how tolerant liberals expect you to be until its something they don't agree with. I've stopped debating it. I just agree to disagree. They won't be happy until all their laws tuck them into bed every night.

[Rucker61]

Speak their language - "It's really sad that you support both collective punishment which is banned by the Geneva Conventions, and stripping away a whole set of human rights from people. I thought you were better than that."

My favorite: "I had no idea you were so racist. You're proposing gun law changes that you believe will keep crazy young white men from mass killings that overwhelmingly affect white people, but you don't seem to want to do anything about the 60% or so of homicides where young black males are killed".

[Great-Kazoo]

My favorite: "I had no idea you were so racist. You're proposing gun law changes that you believe will keep crazy young white men from mass killings that overwhelmingly affect white people, but you don't seem to want to do anything about the 60% or so of homicides where young black males are killed".

Give them a Cold hard Slap of reality and remind them Until Newtown NOT ONE DEM brought up Gun Control. Black kids killed in Chicago, 500 murders with guns in Chicago, numerous murders in Urban areas daily, 1 suicide per day with 2.5 attempts on the Pine Ridge Indian reservation. Alcohol is Illegal on the res yet there are untold fatalities per week from Drunk drivers, Domestic violence, sexual assault ETC. Nothing but SILENCE.

HOWEVER it took the heinous act of a Mentally Unstable 20 something killing WHITE FOLKS IN AN AFFLUENT HITE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THEM TO SPEAK OUT. Sounds racist to me, see how they react to that.

I said the same thing to a person of color at a Christmas party. Their response was, You know you're right it did take the killing of white people to get the gun grabbers riled up.
Besides why argue? IGNORE works better.

[Zundfolge]

Mr. The King:Guns are designed for killing, absolutely.

THERE is where you lost the argument. You buy even 1% of their flawed premises and you lose (that's just how liberals work).


Guns are designed for launching metal projectiles. Killing people is just one of the many possible uses for flying metal projectiles. MOST guns are actually designed for launching these metal projectiles in the service of sport. The intent of manufacturers of those few guns "designed to kill people" is that they are designed to kill bad people (criminals, terrorists, etc). Therefore any gun used to kill an innocent person is being used contrary to its design.

Actually there's an argument that 5.56mm is specifically chosen as our military's round of choice because it's LESS EFFECTIVE AT KILLING PEOPLE (the theory being that if you kill one enemy you've taken one enemy out of the fight, but if you wound one you've taken 3-4 enemies out of the fight because they're busy retrieving and treating their wounded comrade).



Another fun angle is this; If guns are "designed for killing" and cars are not, which is more defective ... all these guns that never kill anyone or all these cars that do?

[Ronin13]

THERE is where you lost the argument. You buy even 1% of their flawed premises and you lose (that's just how liberals work).


Guns are designed for launching metal projectiles. Killing people is just one of the many possible uses for flying metal projectiles. MOST guns are actually designed for launching these metal projectiles in the service of sport. The intent of manufacturers of those few guns "designed to kill people" is that they are designed to kill bad people (criminals, terrorists, etc). Therefore any gun used to kill an innocent person is being used contrary to its design.

Actually there's an argument that 5.56mm is specifically chosen as our military's round of choice because it's LESS EFFECTIVE AT KILLING PEOPLE (the theory being that if you kill one enemy you've taken one enemy out of the fight, but if you wound one you've taken 3-4 enemies out of the fight because they're busy retrieving and treating their wounded comrade).



Another fun angle is this; If guns are "designed for killing" and cars are not, which is more defective ... all these guns that never kill anyone or all these cars that do?

If you want to get technical- Zund has it 100% right- No gun has ever killed anyone (unless it was used to bludgeon someone to death), bullets are what kill people- guns are just one of the many delivery methods used to send bullets.

[SG1]

Mr. The King:Guns are designed for killing, absolutely. Gang bangers, drug addicts, everyday criminals find a way to have guns for that exact purpose. Should I, as a law abiding, tax paying citizen not be allowed to defend myself and my family and those who I care about against those who don't respect the law?

I have to call bull on that do not say they kill, guns like cars,planes,computers and indeed all machines are biuld for one reason, to function, who and in what manner is determine by the person operating said machine, if you own a fast car does that mean that just becuase the can is build to function to be able to break the speed limit does not mean the drive will ever break the speed limit,

A plane is built to function it could be used to smuggle coke into the country or be used as a weapon of terror, yet does this mean that planes are build for these reasons? no they are not does this mean if you own one you are a smuggle/would be jihadist? no...all liberals have the mind of a 4 year old child, they can not reason or learn, its all just emotionalism

[hatidua]

The OP mentioned his belief on a woman's right to choose, and I would not waste my time trying to change his mind any more than he should waste time trying to change his liberal friend's mind.

I think that's a fairly good analogy. No amount of enlightenment is going to convince me that my guns cause harm to anyone. Similarly, no amount of my time spent preaching the virtues of the 2A is going to change the minds of those whose opinions are already made up. Better to pick a topic that won't raise the blood pressure of both people involved and accomplish absolutely nothing.

Telling elected officials that our votes come/go is one thing, and might affect our future. Telling a person who is 100% convinced of their position that they are wrong achieves nothing.