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    It can't be as bad as one of those tiny S&W scandium framed revolvers in .357 Magnum.

    I agree that shot placement is key, but the chances that you will hit something vital enough to stop the fight in 1 shot are not in your favor. Most of the time, it's blood loss that stops the attacker.
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    so 20 rounds of .22

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    Default Another analysis of stopping power by caliber...

    Interesting and still not conclusive but food for thought.

    http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/handgun-stopping-power

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    That is a good read . Thanks

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    It's alright Except for the one factor everyone omits, Drug induced assailants. An encounter with any "medicated" attacked and all bets are off.
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    Nice read, only thing I'm concerned about is combining .357 mag and .357 Sig in the same sample. These are not the same rounds, if anything .357 mag and .38 special could have been combined, but not the Sig round.

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    This seemed to me to be the most revealing chart, as it lumps most of the other effects into the ultimate goal of incapacitating the attacker.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mel View Post
    Interesting and still not conclusive but food for thought.

    http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/handgun-stopping-power
    Thanks for sharing.

    Quote Originally Posted by jim View Post
    It's alright Except for the one factor everyone omits, Drug induced assailants. An encounter with any "medicated" attacked and all bets are off.
    You'd think a study would break that out. There has to be a high percentage of medicated assailants...

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    Too big of a variance for drugs, you'd have no sample that you could trust. What's a guy on PCP going to be like vs one on cannabis, or one on heroin? Too many drugs that do different things to different people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Too big of a variance for drugs, you'd have no sample that you could trust. What's a guy on PCP going to be like vs one on cannabis, or one on heroin? Too many drugs that do different things to different people.
    The "facts" as told to me from reliable LE both alive and no longer with us says. weed smokers very rarely get involved in anything that once a firearm is produced stops the incident. Not talking cartel weed movers just the local college kid.
    The PCP, meth, heroin types, well multiple hits and still up w/out any brain registering of shots, even fatal ones would give ya nightmares i tell ya. Granted they are not on the radar of most "caliber stopping power" test.
    I know one guy in the 28pct (harlem) it took 36 uniforms to subdue a dusted out perp .
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