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    Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
    Ronin who owns our gov? Who pays for all these screwed up laws? It ain't the welfare lady who is pinching a penny for a taco. So yea, the wealthy that buy our elections need to be called out for what they actually do.

    The reason the taxcode is so long is because all those mega amounts of rules and clauses benefit those who have the most wealth already. This is why GE pays no taxes and why small business owners do.
    How convenient, he uses small business owners against giant corps, and sometimes flips to 'workers' against business owners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBadger View Post
    I might be mistaken here, but did you just define the welfare system?
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    Corporate welfare is 4 times larger than all the other forms of welfare combined.
    So.... that's a yes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
    This is why GE pays no taxes and why small business owners do.
    Come on, here. Did you ever take high school economics?

    Corporations don't pay taxes. Taxes are passed along to consumers in the form of higher prices.

    Do they even teach that in schools these days?
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    I would end corporate welfare too. I personally don't get angry at the uber poor for wanting food money. If we had an economy with plentiful jobs that paid a living wage, I would be all for ending welfare. But instead we have a taxcode that ships jobs to China for a taxbreak. So pardon me if I don't care about a mother trying to feed her kids.

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    So to be fair.. advocate for FLAT RATE tax. Why wouldn't that be fair?
    I would like to hear a logical response to this.
    Still waiting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
    I would end corporate welfare too. I personally don't get angry at the uber poor for wanting food money. If we had an economy with plentiful jobs that paid a living wage, I would be all for ending welfare. But instead we have a taxcode that ships jobs to China for a taxbreak. So pardon me if I don't care about a mother trying to feed her kids.
    Oh, you're tugging on my heartstrings now! Maybe that mother should have made responsible choices. No, I'm not kidding. Time to grow up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman View Post
    Come on, here. Did you ever take high school economics?

    Corporations don't pay taxes. Taxes are passed along to consumers in the form of higher prices.

    Do they even teach that in schools these days?
    Another broken tired mime. All taxes are passed along all over the place. The only thing that is passed along to consumers is the same thing that everything else deals with. What lower tax rates do is pass along more profit to wallstreet. Because the free market sets the prices not taxes. The free market sets what people will pay for something. No businessman ever lowered prices to make up for a taxbreak. No what they did was see what people were willing to pay, keep it at that level and pocket the profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
    I would end corporate welfare too. I personally don't get angry at the uber poor for wanting food money. If we had an economy with plentiful jobs that paid a living wage, I would be all for ending welfare. But instead we have a taxcode that ships jobs to China for a taxbreak. So pardon me if I don't care about a mother trying to feed her kids.
    FLAT TAX, you meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBadger View Post
    Oh, you're tugging on my heartstrings now! Maybe that mother should have made responsible choices. No, I'm not kidding. Time to grow up.
    Don't be an jerk. My parents are great people who are nothing like what you claim. My father still works to this day to pay for his cancer treatments. My mother the same. He is an engineer and she is a teacher. So please kindly Go F yourself and leave my parents out of your hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
    Another broken tired mime. All taxes are passed along all over the place. The only thing that is passed along to consumers is the same thing that everything else deals with. What lower tax rates do is pass along more profit to wallstreet. Because the free market sets the prices not taxes. The free market sets what people will pay for something. No businessman ever lowered prices to make up for a taxbreak. No what they did was see what people were willing to pay, keep it at that level and pocket the profit.
    As mentioned numerous times.. you have no clue whatsoever. When a business person receives a tax break, 99% chance he/she will reinvest the saving for growth rather than paying more tax (at supposedly lower tax break rate) on a higher profit. It's only logical. This growth in turns will result in higher tax revenue. Bush tax cut resulting in over 40% tax revenue growth. Reagan's tax cut had the same result. Hell even your president agreed on his first term and extended it. The conservatives tend to have this willingness to 'progress' and grow. The progressive on the other hand only understands 'take take take.' The irony.

    Most libtards dont get it. Unless you run your own business, stop making stupid assumptions.
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