Reflection of America's Mentality

[ChunkyMonkey]

No lower taxes do not create increased gov intake like you suggest, lower taxes with MONUMENTAL increases in GOV spending and borrowing did. You guys bemoan Obama as spending too much while you just cited two of the largest deficit spenders in US history. You then call me a hypocrite... oh the irony. I pray for the day that the conservatives actually return to being conservatives like Eisenhower was.

The difference is those two created growth and the spending comes along. You really want to compare them to Obama's budgeting skill? Wait, what budget?

[Sharpienads]

I think the last few events along with dumbasses like Nynco has pushed me further to the right. My long time agent has called me back after I complained last week that my umbrella, home and car insurance will be going up to $4500 something. She proposed that I switch to progressive for $700 saving. Fuck that. I refuse to do business with the left. I ll stick with my current insurance rather than giving money to the fucking democrat fund machine.

I believe this is one of the consequences of our current welfare system. I work hard, and the government keeps telling me I need to pay more so that somebody else can enjoy a certain standard of living. This is regardless of how hard they work and despite the fact that they have certain "rights" yet none of the responsibility that I do. It creates resentment among people, whether you realize it or not or whether you want it to or not. I find myself feeling the same way.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I would still have a graduated income tax but with no deductions at all. Not even for a house. Because renters should not subsidize home owners.

HENCE the hypocrisy.. you demands 'fairness' for a certain class only. There is no reason you should not agree to FLAT tax if you want to apply your definition of 'fairness' to all. INCOME is an INCOME yo

[MarkCO]

HENCE the hypocrisy.. you demands 'fairness' for a certain class only. There is no reason you should not agree to FLAT tax if you want to apply your definition of 'fairness' to all.

FLAT tax...like EVERY person in America send in $5K regardless of income level or nationality...that would be fair. No way we even get close to anything near fair.

[nynco]

The difference is those two created growth and the spending comes along. You really want to compare them to Obama's budgeting skill? Wait, what budget?

Wallstreet is at an all time high and Bush left the country in the toilet on the verge of total melt down. I would say Obama is doing better.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Wallstreet is at an all time high and Bush left the country in the toilet on the verge of total melt down. I would say Obama is doing better.

Yes, Obama is the hero of wallstreet, while generations of Americans must pay back the newly acquired debts. The hypocrisy coming from the left who champions the small folks is just... sickening.

[nynco]

HENCE the hypocrisy.. you demands 'fairness' for a certain class only. There is no reason you should not agree to FLAT tax if you want to apply your definition of 'fairness' to all. INCOME is an INCOME yo

If someone would put forth a flat tax that made all income subject to it, I would not be against it. But that is because I get something that most of you people don't. Wage earners end take home pay is not dictated tax rates. That only matters to investment income earners. Raise taxes on wage earners and wages will rise to meet the level that a person is willing to work for for the given position. Taxes have no bearing on that number at all. Within a few short years wages will adjust to what that person needs to survive. It will however stop wallstreet from gambling.

[nynco]

Yes, Obama is the hero of wallstreet, while generations of Americans must pay back the newly acquired debts. The hypocrisy coming from the left who champions the small folks is just... sickening.

So you agree that EVERYSINGLE GOP PRESIDENT since Reagan is just as bad. Ok, so do I.

You also just backhandedly admitted that trickle down economics don't work.

[Sharpienads]

IF we have a tax based on an individual's income, it should be a flat tax. No more than 10%, no deductions, no credits. Everybody pays it regardless of income. If you don't want to pay your taxes, you forfeit your right to vote. If you don't pay taxes, you shouldn't be able to vote to raise mine.

Or we could cut the federal budget in half and not have any federal income tax whatsoever, individual or corporate.

I prefer option B.

[Gman]

Raise taxes on wage earners and wages will rise to meet the level that a person is willing to work for for the given position.

Dead wrong. The cost of living will rise to meet the level of wages. Wage earner gets $15 an hour and his Big Mac will cost him $12. Meanwhile, it costs even less to use overseas labor since you don't have to pay for their taxes and benefits. Now an American wage earner sits on his ass getting unemployment.