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    take take take... are you kidding me. I am advocating for every one to pay the same. Why are you advocating for a free ride while punishing an honest days work. That is the take take take mentality there.

    Your disdain for welfare for the poor is hollow when you call for welfare taxrates for the investor class.

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    If the government was doing what its charter instructed it to do, i.e. The US Constitution, we wouldn't be here. The reason we need these tax schemes (that are now longer than the Bible) is that it has gone way too far. Going further is not the answer.

    We have a progressive tax code where the wealthier pay more, but that's not good enough for you.

    We need a whole lot less government right now, not more money funneled into it.
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    nynco sounds like the majority of those people that helped get King Oberxes put into power for 4 more years, "The rich are causing this woe!" False. They make up a small percent of the population, they pay over 60% of the taxes, AND are continuously getting hit with tax hikes. What would fix it is to reduce spending, reform entitlements (SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and especially welfare), and if EVERYONE really did pay their "fair share" (no more of this exempt from income tax while making $20K crap) we wouldn't have to raise taxes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
    Our system is NOT designed to encourage growth, it is designed to encourage short term gain over long term viability and health. Please tell me why in the heck we give taxbreaks to companies that ship production overseas? IS that designed to do this nation long term good? Please tell me why a banker should get a lower taxrate than a small business owner? All it does is reward gambling. Gambling that nearly destroyed our economy. We need to raises taxes on dividends to the same level as everyone else. Then investors would invest for the long term instead of going for the quick dollar regardless of long term health of the nation. Eating your legs may make you less hungry but tomorrow you may need to run.
    I am both a small business owner and licensed banker. You have no clue what you are talking about. When you can get out of your comfort zone and invent/start a small business then beg for strangers' money to get your dream off the ground, then maybe you understand the kind of risk you are talking about. Stop changing the subject too. You are all over the place. Gambling = taking risk..and like you said.. even crossing the street is a risk. Your hypocrite is emerging.
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    Ronin who owns our gov? Who pays for all these screwed up laws? It ain't the welfare lady who is pinching a penny for a taco. So yea, the wealthy that buy our elections need to be called out for what they actually do.

    The reason the taxcode is so long is because all those mega amounts of rules and clauses benefit those who have the most wealth already. This is why GE pays no taxes and why small business owners do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
    take take take... are you kidding me. I am advocating for every one to pay the same. Why are you advocating for a free ride while punishing an honest days work. That is the take take take mentality there.

    Your disdain for welfare for the poor is hollow when you call for welfare taxrates for the investor class.
    So to be fair.. advocate for FLAT RATE tax. Why wouldn't that be fair?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
    Our system is NOT designed to encourage growth, it is designed to encourage short term gain over long term viability and health. Eating your legs may make you less hungry but tomorrow you may need to run.
    I might be mistaken here, but did you just define the welfare system?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey View Post
    I am both a small business owner and licensed banker. You have no clue what you are talking about. When you can get out of your comfort zone and invent/start a small business then beg for strangers' money to get your dream off the ground, then maybe you understand the kind of risk you are talking about. Stop changing the subject too. You are all over the place. Gambling = taking risk..and like you said.. even crossing the street is a risk. Your hypocrite is emerging.
    How in the heck are you laughably calling me a hypocrite when I am calling for the same taxrate for all forms of income. Talk about projection. Look in the mirror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBadger View Post
    I might be mistaken here, but did you just define the welfare system?
    Corporate welfare is 4 times larger than all the other forms of welfare combined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey View Post
    So to be fair.. advocate for FLAT RATE tax. Why wouldn't that be fair?
    I would like to hear a logical response to this.
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