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    To be fair I don't know Dudley, he's a fellow gun nut so he's probably an ok guy that I'd enjoy having a few beers with.

    I think he just gets caught up in trying to differentiate himself and his organization from the NRA.
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

    "Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.
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    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people."
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    A World Without Guns <- Great Read!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatidua View Post
    This is NOT the time for the various gun groups to tear each other down. The anti-gun community would like nothing more.

    Thanks a lot Dudley.....NOT!
    I agree. Dumb move Dud. Way to show the anti's how easily we can be divided! What a Croc!

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    So the nra has never hung us out to dry over back door deals before?

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    I believe the NRA has at times agreed to support legislation they didn't like but considered less dangerous than alternatives but "hung us out to dry"? No, I don't believe that -- certainly not the extent portrayed by RMGO and GOA. Please note I am NOT telling you to drop RMGO or GOA if you're members or supporters. I simply consider Dudley's over-the-top rhetoric counterproductive and it lost MY support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trlcavscout View Post
    So the nra has never hung us out to dry over back door deals before?
    Did they "hang us out to dry over back door deals" or did they just not get everything they wanted in deals with recalcitrant Democrats?

    If you always go around demanding "All or Nothing", you end up getting "Nothing" a lot. That's not an excuse for caving too easily (and maybe that's what the NRA did in the situations you're thinking about) but you can't expect the NRA to win 100% of the time.
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

    "Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.
    -Friedrich Nietzsche

    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people."
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    A World Without Guns <- Great Read!

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    Quote Originally Posted by trlcavscout View Post
    So the nra has never hung us out to dry over back door deals before?
    That was nearly 20 years ago... keep that in mind. It appears they're a little more steadfast this time around, and it would seem that they're a totally different organization now. I'll err on the side of caution, but their latest track record over the past couple months have led me to believe we can place more faith in them than 1994.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    That was nearly 20 years ago... keep that in mind. It appears they're a little more steadfast this time around, and it would seem that they're a totally different organization now. I'll err on the side of caution, but their latest track record over the past couple months have led me to believe we can place more faith in them than 1994.
    WTF are you talking about Ronin? The NRA fought the AWB pretty damned hard and used its passage to defeat a lot of the Democrats who were responsible for that POS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    Shit like this is why I stopped listening to or paying attention to RMGO.
    I can see that. The NRA has made some mistakes, and it appears that they've learned a lot from them.
    ...and now is not the time for Pro 2A groups to be flinging poop at one another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman View Post
    I can see that. The NRA has made some mistakes, and it appears that they've learned a lot from them..
    I actually believe this will be a real litmus test for the 'new' NRA. They got their arse handed to them by their members after the first AWB -- and there was a concentrated effort to make the duck hunters go the fuck away. It didn't wildly succeed -- but there a few people on the board now with some common sense and a love for black rifles. Its no where near a majority and there are a whole bunch of them that care more about their Company's bottom line than your rights as an individual.

    If the NRA fucks us on this -- and I define fucks us as ANY new restrictions on gun/magazine ownership in ANY way -- I pray that there will be a massive exodus from the NRA membership. It wouldn't be good for us, as a whole bunch of splinter groups would pop up - and we would loose any notion of a combined voice. But I'd have a smaller few speak the truth than a large majority of liars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hatidua View Post
    This is NOT the time for the various gun groups to tear each other down. The anti-gun community would like nothing more.

    Thanks a lot Dudley.....NOT!
    I joined RMGO several weeks back as I think every single pro-2A group needs to be supported right now. If they pull this kind of stunt, they'll never see another penny of my money. LISTENING DUDLEY?????

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