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    File this under "Headlines From the 700s AD"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/14/wo...mali.html?_r=0

    BAMAKO, Mali — French fighter jets struck deep inside Islamist strongholds in northern Mali on Sunday, shoving aside months of international hesitation about storming the region after every other effort by the United States and its allies to thwart the extremists had failed.

    For years, the United States tried to stem the spread of Islamic militancy in the region by conducting its most ambitious counterterrorism program ever across these vast, turbulent stretches of the Sahara.
    But as insurgents swept through the desert last year, commanders of this nation’s elite army units, the fruit of years of careful American training, defected when they were needed most — taking troops, guns, trucks and their newfound skills to the enemy in the heat of battle, according to senior Malian military officials.
    “It was a disaster,” said one of several senior Malian officers to confirm the defections.


    Well, they've been fighting Muslims trying to expand their territories for almost 1300 years, so they do know how its done. Hopefully they shake the rust off and get back into it.

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    Wow, looks like a slap to America's intelligence/military efforts there. Glad the French aren't afraid to get dirty. Africa is such a clusterfuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghosty View Post
    Wow, looks like a slap to America's intelligence/military efforts there. Glad the French aren't afraid to get dirty. Africa is such a clusterfuck.
    The whole WOT has been a decade+ long story of "roll in, make things worse, wonder what happened."

    It's really a sad state of affairs, the Islamists are stronger now than they ever have been. Hopefully the French do a better job, but who knows.

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    Our main African efforts should be to send Seal Team 6 into Ethiopia to retrieve the Ark of the Covenant!! Then all else won't matter...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancho Villa View Post
    The whole WOT has been a decade+ long story of "roll in, make things worse, wonder what happened."

    It's really a sad state of affairs, the Islamists are stronger now than they ever have been. Hopefully the French do a better job, but who knows.
    Funny... I don't see them being stronger at all. I see maybe their cause being bolstered a bit because of wars in Islamic lands- but stronger? I don't remember any successful large-scale attacks on US Soil since 2001... Oh and I don't remember reading stories of the Iraqi gov torturing it's own people since Saddam was put to death, nor do I remember reading about any recent Afghan government laws banning girls from attending school. "Make things worse" is a very subjective comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    Oh and I don't remember reading stories of the Iraqi gov torturing it's own people since Saddam was put to deat, nor do I remember reading about any recent Afghan government laws banning girls from attending school. "Make things worse" is a very subjective comment.
    Sadly, even without Saddam & the Republican Guard, Iraq is STILL A MUSLIM country. I doubt there has been that much change. I'm sure their justice system is still harsh as hell, nothing like America/Europe. Think of Saudi Arabia, our semi-ally with an actual AirForce base there. You better believe they torture the shit out of their prisoners, and still treat women like slaves in every facet of life, EVEN TODAY. Same with the Taliban killing/torturing girls trying to attend schools, and burning down those schools. The Afghan government is NO friend of ours or the West, they're just taking advantage of our goodwill and $$$$$. Pakistan is exactly the same, they are our enemies, you better believe it. It's just a "marriage of convenience" right now, while the $$$ flows out of YOURS AND MY wallet/taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    Funny... I don't see them being stronger at all. I see maybe their cause being bolstered a bit because of wars in Islamic lands- but stronger? I don't remember any successful large-scale attacks on US Soil since 2001... Oh and I don't remember reading stories of the Iraqi gov torturing it's own people since Saddam was put to death, nor do I remember reading about any recent Afghan government laws banning girls from attending school. "Make things worse" is a very subjective comment.
    Islam is the national religion of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Apostasy is punishable by death in both countries. It has been prevented in a few high-profile cases only by US diplomatic intervention in both countries.

    Both countries will be supporting Islamic terrorists with US supplied arms and training, not to mention better infrastructure and out-and-out support, within a few years of us leaving, on the outside. Neither country is better off in the long run than before. Iraq is arguably going to be worse off.

    If you think the win/loss bar in this war is "terrorist attacks in the US" you are very much off base. Islam as a political system must be smashed, and Islam itself converted from a theocratic religion ala Catholicism in the dark ages to a peaceful one. The only way to do that is crushing military defeats and forcing Islam out of the political arena at the point of a sword. That is the measure of our success, and by that measure we've failed miserably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancho Villa View Post
    Well, they've been fighting Muslims trying to expand their territories for almost 1300 years, so they do know how its done. Hopefully they shake the rust off and get back into it.
    Ironically through political correctness they've allowed Muslims to emigrate in and out-breed the native French so that probably within our lifetimes France will become a Muslim country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghosty View Post
    Sadly, even without Saddam & the Republican Guard, Iraq is STILL A MUSLIM country. I doubt there has been that much change. I'm sure their justice system is still harsh as hell, nothing like America/Europe. Think of Saudi Arabia, our semi-ally with an actual AirForce base there. You better believe they torture the shit out of their prisoners, and still treat women like slaves in every facet of life, EVEN TODAY. Same with the Taliban killing/torturing girls trying to attend schools, and burning down those schools. The Afghan government is NO friend of ours or the West, they're just taking advantage of our goodwill and $$$$$. Pakistan is exactly the same, they are our enemies, you better believe it. It's just a "marriage of convenience" right now, while the $$$ flows out of YOURS AND MY wallet/taxes.
    I agree, but with our kill/capture program, the Reaper Initiative, Operation Neptune's Spear, etc., we have effectively decimated most of the AQ command structure, have the Taliban pretty bruised up, and on the whole, Iraq and Afghanistan are better now than they were 13+ years ago. Iraq isn't torturing their sports teams for losing, they aren't using chemical weapons on an entire ethnic group, and Arab-Christians aren't exactly hiding out any more. Sure, the Taliban is still menacing their society and when we pull out completely of both place it's just going to slip again...but for now it's actually better. Anyone who does't think AFG is better now than it was in 2000, well my guess is they've never been there and they assume things.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pancho Villa View Post
    Islam is the national religion of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Apostasy is punishable by death in both countries. It has been prevented in a few high-profile cases only by US diplomatic intervention in both countries.

    Both countries will be supporting Islamic terrorists with US supplied arms and training, not to mention better infrastructure and out-and-out support, within a few years of us leaving, on the outside. Neither country is better off in the long run than before. Iraq is arguably going to be worse off.

    If you think the win/loss bar in this war is "terrorist attacks in the US" you are very much off base. Islam as a political system must be smashed, and Islam itself converted from a theocratic religion ala Catholicism in the dark ages to a peaceful one. The only way to do that is crushing military defeats and forcing Islam out of the political arena at the point of a sword. That is the measure of our success, and by that measure we've failed miserably.
    I agree 100%, and I don't rate the win/lose bar as there haven't been terrorist attacks here, that's part of it though. When Obama took office, we were on the road to victory- in 2014, when ODipshit pulls our troops out of Afghanistan, I promise you, within 12 mos the Taliban will be back in power.
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    Our boys did a great job and had their hands tied behind their back by politicians who wanted to respect Islam. Islam is the cancer of the earth. There is no reasoning with cancer.

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