Question on the NRA - President seems to be a bit extreme

[Romer]

Thanks for the discussion

Thats good to know that many schools do have an armed guard on campus.

I also see the other perspective about paying for some kids security and not others. I hadn't thought about it that way, but I see the point.

Not sure I would want just any Joe with a CCW to stand guard, I agree with the post about better traiung for those individuals and equipment to call for backup.

I will look into donating to the ILA

[Great-Kazoo]

I'm not really into getting nuked over some kids. That said the more power you acquire the more security you need. Perhaps it's just because I went to school in lafayette but we always had an armed cop or two on our campus, plus actual school security... I think a lot of public schools do have a police presence.

Only when they're yaking D.A.R.E

[Ashton]

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[james_bond_007]

Since The Ginsue and I have apparently established this psychic bond, a mind meld if I may
...
Again, just mine (and The Ginsue's) opinion

Very informative....thanks (...I state that sincerely).

What concerns me is that I don't feel "just" a CCW course is sufficient training for teachers and other school staff.
Yes, 4+ hrs of CCW training meets the state requirements to get a CCW. (I don't believe live fire is even a requirement...at least it wasn't a few years ago.)
Yes, it is better to have someone available to respond immediately to a threat than no one, even with minimal training.

But I think with some organization and additional/regular training, teachers that carry could be more effective, safer, better prepared, and feel more comfortable in an additional "guard" role.

For example (and maybe not the best example, but it illustrates more privileges might be granted with more training ) Mississippi is now allowing those CCW holders that obtain additional training endorsements to carry in more areas ("courthouses, polling places, government meetings, any school, college or professional athletic event, bars and restaurants that serve alcohol, any elementary or secondary school facility, any junior college, community college, college or university facility, inside the passenger terminal of any airport") than those CCW holders that have not had said endorsement training. See http://www.jacksonlewis.com/resources.php?NewsID=3972

Also, when people have infrequent social contact with each other, I would agree with "If no one sees it, they aren't likely to make a grab for it." But in a school situation, where there are stronger relationships (both positive and negative) and regular encounters, I think that it would only be a short time before the students know which teachers carry and which don't, even if the teacher is careful to keep things concealed.

Again, I support teachers being allowed to carry, but believe there should be additional and regular training requirements in addition to that required for CCW, to help make any "gray area" more black or white.

[clublights]

Ok yes no child is no more important then any other..

But lets be realistic.... The kids of a high ranking government official or a prominate person in the media are a LARGER Target. Of course they need EXTRA protection.

But as history has shown ANY Child is a target to these wackos ( Columbine, Newtown, VA tech( tho not children per-say .. young folk) )

EVERY child deserves SOME protection ( and history has also shown that gun free zones are the opposite of protection they are an invitation for these wackos)

I believe the commercial is showing the hypocrisy of the left that they see the need to protect THIER children but the rest of us.. Well Good Luck .

[mb504]

I read a story recently, about fathers and grandfathers on their days off just being at the school interacting with the kids.* They not only reduced the bullying at the school and the kids were more relaxed, due to the extra guys there keeping an eye out for them. Thought it was pretty interesting. Yes, it was in Utah, where people with a CCW can carry concealed at schools.



* http://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comment...e_made_a_huge/

[RMGOdirector]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2494358.html

Keene is extreme? Read article -- here he's endorsing Brady.

[Bailey Guns]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2494358.html

Keene is extreme? Read article -- here he's endorsing Brady.

WASHINGTON -- The head of the National Rifle Association says the organization has no problem with tighter background checks of gun purchasers.

But association president David Keene also says too much emphasis has been placed on banning certain firearms.
In an interview on "CBS This Morning" Thursday, Keene argues, quote, "The real question that needs to be addressed is not what we do about guns, but what we do to make our schools safer."
The NRA has come under close scrutiny in the wake of Newtown, Conn., shootings that killed 20 children and six adults.
Keene said officials should focus more attention on a "devastatingly broken mental health system in this country," if they genuinely want to end gun violence.
He said the NRA has been "generally supportive" of stronger background checks.

Maybe I'm missing something here, Dudley, but can you point out where Keene is endorsing Brady in the above article, please? As is typical of almost everything you say about the NRA you're being a bit intellectually dishonest.

I've supported RMGO for the past several years despite your constant attacks on the NRA. The NRA is not the perfect organization. Granted. But none is. Not even RMGO. I'm sick and tired of your constant bashing of the NRA. It's offensive to me as a Benefactor Life Member.

I was about to contribute $35 to the RMGO for 2013. I'll pass now. When you get 4 million members get back to me. When you stop being part of the problem by constantly attacking pro-gun people and organizations and start trying to work with other organizations instead of constantly working to fracture the work they're doing, get back to me. Maybe then I'll consider contributing to RMGO. Until then, I'm done supporting RMGO, I'm done recommending others support RMGO and I'm done referring other gun owners to RMGO's website. I'm not going to actively work against your organization but I'm sure as hell not going to work for it.

[Melvin]

Maybe I'm missing something here, Dudley, but can you point out where Keene is endorsing Brady

Got to agree.

The head of the National Rifle Association says the organization has no problem with tighter background checks of gun purchasers.

Everyone knows that the Brady Handgun Control Act was to relax the existing laws regarding background checks

[hollohas]

Again, I support teachers being allowed to carry, but believe there should be additional and regular training requirements in addition to that required for CCW, to help make any "gray area" more black or white.

Perhaps make the program similar to what armed commercial pilots participate in? Those guys must get fairly extensive and regular training. Regular trigger time, shoot/no shoot scenarios, force on force, etc.