Universal Background Checks

[Boadie30]

Where are they getting this 85% figure of NRA members or 90% of Americans supporting them??

[sniper7]

From bs polls

[brutal]

Even if the numbers are anywhere close, I suspect most sheeple don't realize what a universal background check really means and would be shocked if you told them they would have to run a background check to give their son/daughter/grandson/wife/whatever a firearm, and their heirs would lose all rights to the firearms upon their death.

One more reason to setup a trust.

I'm looking for a can anyway so that's my next call tomorrow.

[Gman]

They're likely trying to convince members that everyone else is doing it....

I don't buy it for a second.

[Mountain Man]

Universal background checks sound great on paper. In reality its problematic at best. You would have to exempt family members who can legally own firearms. So If you wanted to give your kid a rifle for christmas you could. The same with inheriting firearms. Then how is a system going to be set up? In Colorado we are close with the only thing changing being private sales. How would they set up a system for a background check so people don't have to go through an FFL?

Then the elephant in the room. It does no good without registration and I'll be damned if thats anything I could support. You can ask for a transfer through an FFL now if you choose.

[BlasterBob]

You can ask for a transfer through an FFL now if you choose.

Correct but I believe MOST FFL holders will refuse to help out and the majority that will help will charge "an arm and a leg" to run that BG check.

[Lineman]

Where are they getting this 85% figure of NRA members or 90% of Americans supporting them??

"Just like the 60% of gun sales are done public." Not threw an FFL. LOL what a joke that was!

[liberty19]

Registration.....then......confiscation!
NO!!! to universal background checks.

[Ronin13]

Registration.....then......confiscation!
NO!!! to universal background checks.

Disclaimer: I am not stirring the pot, I'm legitimately asking a question...
How is (not defending this position at all, I'm against it for a variety of reasons) Universal background checks in any way a form of registration? I'm genuinely curious. I do a BGC every time I purchase a firearm from an FFL- cool, fine, all good. But somehow it's a form of registration when I would have to do a BGC with a private sale? If done via an FFL and the FFL was forced to keep the 4478 on file, in regards to privacy and current procedures, then it really would be more hassle for buyer/seller than anything else, right? Or am I wrong on this? I don't know all the details behind a UBC system proposed by Congress, so if done the same as now just bringing the buyer and seller together with the firearm to an FFL to conduct a normal 4478 with BGC then I fail to see any type of "registration." For the record, I'm vehemently against this idea to include the reasons like 1) an FFL would most likely charge for the service, costing the seller/buyer more than they intended the deal to cost, 2) if not done through an FFL, how would the seller respect the privacy of the buyer if individuals had to submit checks via CBI? And the list goes on. I just would like some clarity on how a UBC is considered "registration."

[Jackrabbit]

Disclaimer: I am not stirring the pot, I'm legitimately asking a question...
How is (not defending this position at all, I'm against it for a variety of reasons) Universal background checks in any way a form of registration? I'm genuinely curious. I do a BGC every time I purchase a firearm from an FFL- cool, fine, all good. But somehow it's a form of registration when I would have to do a BGC with a private sale? If done via an FFL and the FFL was forced to keep the 4478 on file, in regards to privacy and current procedures, then it really would be more hassle for buyer/seller than anything else, right? Or am I wrong on this? I don't know all the details behind a UBC system proposed by Congress, so if done the same as now just bringing the buyer and seller together with the firearm to an FFL to conduct a normal 4478 with BGC then I fail to see any type of "registration." For the record, I'm vehemently against this idea to include the reasons like 1) an FFL would most likely charge for the service, costing the seller/buyer more than they intended the deal to cost, 2) if not done through an FFL, how would the seller respect the privacy of the buyer if individuals had to submit checks via CBI? And the list goes on. I just would like some clarity on how a UBC is considered "registration."

Anytime you fill out a form for a firearm, it is a sort of de facto registration. The fact that if a gun is recovered in a crime, its origin can be traced to the original buyer, says that info is out there and can be used by someone later to create a database. With massive amounts of computer memory and processing power available and super cheap prices, I would be surprised if all that stuff isn't already logged somewhere for access by God only knows who.

Those guns you get through your FFL? Essentially "registered" to you in my personal opinion.