Universal Background Checks

[JohnTRourke]

Just like the rest of the bullshit, they make it up.

NOT ONE MORE INCH

[Boadie30]

Why do you always post threads without any links?

I am in between houses and do not have a internet sevice at the moment... Being on the internet with this piece of crap phone blows.. You all are my crutch till Feb. 25th when my new house is finished being built.. Sorry and thanks...

[cofi]

its our right and not some privilege for the gov to decide.....there shouldnt be any backround checks period

[brutal]

At a minimum, CCW holders shouldn't have to go through a background check period. We've already tagged ourselves. Isn't this the case in some states?

[BlasterBob]

You can ask for a transfer through an FFL now if you choose.

Correct but I believe MOST FFL holders will refuse to help out and the majority that will help will charge "an arm and a leg" to run that BG check.

[Trigger]

did you know that 90% of statistics are made up on the spot, and 80% of the public believes them?

[Ronin13]

Registration.....then......confiscation!
NO!!! to universal background checks.

Disclaimer: I am not stirring the pot, I'm legitimately asking a question...
How is (not defending this position at all, I'm against it for a variety of reasons) Universal background checks in any way a form of registration? I'm genuinely curious. I do a BGC every time I purchase a firearm from an FFL- cool, fine, all good. But somehow it's a form of registration when I would have to do a BGC with a private sale? If done via an FFL and the FFL was forced to keep the 4478 on file, in regards to privacy and current procedures, then it really would be more hassle for buyer/seller than anything else, right? Or am I wrong on this? I don't know all the details behind a UBC system proposed by Congress, so if done the same as now just bringing the buyer and seller together with the firearm to an FFL to conduct a normal 4478 with BGC then I fail to see any type of "registration." For the record, I'm vehemently against this idea to include the reasons like 1) an FFL would most likely charge for the service, costing the seller/buyer more than they intended the deal to cost, 2) if not done through an FFL, how would the seller respect the privacy of the buyer if individuals had to submit checks via CBI? And the list goes on. I just would like some clarity on how a UBC is considered "registration."

[Jackrabbit]

At best it's a state issue.

[Jackrabbit]

Disclaimer: I am not stirring the pot, I'm legitimately asking a question...
How is (not defending this position at all, I'm against it for a variety of reasons) Universal background checks in any way a form of registration? I'm genuinely curious. I do a BGC every time I purchase a firearm from an FFL- cool, fine, all good. But somehow it's a form of registration when I would have to do a BGC with a private sale? If done via an FFL and the FFL was forced to keep the 4478 on file, in regards to privacy and current procedures, then it really would be more hassle for buyer/seller than anything else, right? Or am I wrong on this? I don't know all the details behind a UBC system proposed by Congress, so if done the same as now just bringing the buyer and seller together with the firearm to an FFL to conduct a normal 4478 with BGC then I fail to see any type of "registration." For the record, I'm vehemently against this idea to include the reasons like 1) an FFL would most likely charge for the service, costing the seller/buyer more than they intended the deal to cost, 2) if not done through an FFL, how would the seller respect the privacy of the buyer if individuals had to submit checks via CBI? And the list goes on. I just would like some clarity on how a UBC is considered "registration."

Anytime you fill out a form for a firearm, it is a sort of de facto registration. The fact that if a gun is recovered in a crime, its origin can be traced to the original buyer, says that info is out there and can be used by someone later to create a database. With massive amounts of computer memory and processing power available and super cheap prices, I would be surprised if all that stuff isn't already logged somewhere for access by God only knows who.

Those guns you get through your FFL? Essentially "registered" to you in my personal opinion.

[hatidua]

Disclaimer: I am not stirring the pot, I'm legitimately asking a question...
How is (not defending this position at all, I'm against it for a variety of reasons) Universal background checks in any way a form of registration? I'm genuinely curious. I do a BGC every time I purchase a firearm from an FFL- cool, fine, all good. But somehow it's a form of registration when I would have to do a BGC with a private sale? If done via an FFL and the FFL was forced to keep the 4478 on file, in regards to privacy and current procedures, then it really would be more hassle for buyer/seller than anything else, right? Or am I wrong on this?

Form 4473 info is theoretically not kept in any database. Nor are there drones in the U.S., the Patriot Act never passed, the tooth fairy exists, as does Santa Clause & Heaven, the President adheres to the Constitution, and Social Security will be solvent when I am 65.

Youth was grand, I miss it dearly.