It has begun . . .

[Dave]

The NY state troopers and JeffCo sheriffs pull people over all the time there for the most minor of stuff. It's where Ft Drum is and they view soldiers as a revenue source. In NY your car is not an extension of your home like in CO, there is no warrant needed to search a car.

[Ghosty]

it saddens me deeply that possession of an empty 30 round magazine is a felony in NY, while possession of crystal meth is a misdemeanor

Cuomo/Bloomberg/NYC LOGIC at it's finest! It's fucking sickening to me, but makes me appreciate Colorado more. Making MJ legal shows that we actually believe in "let the punishment fit the crime", for now anyway.

seems reasonable. law is the law. cops just doing their job. that is what i am told. what is the the issue ?

I HOPE you're kidding?

[tmjohnson]

I ask the same questio as Fmedges
How can they search without probably cause?
It is my understanding that if you don't give permission, you can tell the cops to go pound sand

[Ashton]

Why are they allowed to search your car without probable cause?

Because they banned 16oz + soft drinks too?

[Ghosty]

Is it like the DUI checkpoints here which are borderline (or completely) unconstitutional when you aren't doing anything wrong? I didn't know they could do that in NY, even outside a DUI checkpoint, wow! Fuck that state, will never live there.

[Ronin13]

Funny, I was stationed up there- Jefferson County is the county where most of Ft. Drum is located. To answer your question Fmedges- NY is a police state, they don't care about your 4th Amendment Rights- hell they really don't care about any of your rights, the legal system there is so screwed up that it's trickled down to the LEOs... It's really sad.

[Fmedges]

Is it like the DUI checkpoints here which are borderline (or completely) unconstitutional when you aren't doing anything wrong? I didn't know they could do that in NY, even outside a DUI checkpoint, wow! Fuck that state, will never live there.

Even so if you pull up to a DUI checkpoint and you haven't been drinking and the cops cannot prove probable cause, then they have no right to search your vehicle unless you let them do so. At school the cops cannot search my backpack just because they want to and my backpack is not an extension of my home. I would say that this is just as worry some as 30 round magazines being a felony.

http://voices.yahoo.com/know-police-...hen-68760.html

[kidicarus13]

I ask the same questio as Fmedges
How can they search without probably cause?
It is my understanding that if you don't give permission, you can tell the cops to go pound sand

If permission to search was not given the mags could have been in plain sight, another exception to a search warrant.

[Fmedges]

Funny, I was stationed up there- Jefferson County is the county where most of Ft. Drum is located. To answer your question Fmedges- NY is a police state, they don't care about your 4th Amendment Rights- hell they really don't care about any of your rights, the legal system there is so screwed up that it's trickled down to the LEOs... It's really sad.

Check and balances mean shit if the people responsible for the checking let bullshit like this happen.

[HBARleatherneck]

i dont know why everyone is making such a big deal. Our government, politicians and law enforcement officers only have our best interests in mind. they would never do anything that was inappropriate.

what is the attraction to some 200 something year old piece of paper anyway? it should be a living breathing document that fits the times?