"Your Car Is An Extension of Your Home": What does this mean?

[wctriumph]

Whereas I have had very different results. Did you know that WY plates in southern CA is gonna get you pulled over and they are gonna ask you about guns? Your guidelines cannot hurt and in many cases will help but are not a blanket protection.

Yes, in CA you will ALWAYS be asked, "do you have any weapons or drugs in the vehicle or on your person". That is the first thing that they ask after you give them your documentation.

Only time I was searched was when I was 20 and a passenger in another friends car. They (LACS) pulled us over for a tail light out (it wasn't) and when my friend protested they got us out of the car and patted us down, found nothing and asked to search the car. My friend said no and the deputy punched him in the gut and then out of nowhere the second deputy pinned me to the car trunk and both of us were handcuffed and made to lay on our stomachs on Lincoln Blvd while they tore the car apart. They did not find anything because we did not have anything to find. We did not break any laws and no citations were given. I still have the remnants of a scar on my left wrist where the cuffs cut me. When my friend's father went to the sheriff's office to make a complaint, they told him that there was no record of the stop on file and therefore it never happened. They told him that his son should not such a smart ass next time he was pulled over for a traffic violation.

I never trusted a so cal police officer again and discontinued my attempt to become a LEO, it would have severely corrupted my morals to join the LAPD or LACS back in 1975. Just my story from way back then. Today I just don't have any issues and I a few friends that are LEO. Things have changed for the better in my opinion regarding the street officer. I don't trust the command though, too many political loyalties to be overcome it seems in many locations across this great country.


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[MED]

I found through the years working with LEOs as well as a few traffic violations, that contact is what you make of it. LEOs deal with the scum of the earth on a daily basis and they are put in harm’s way regularly so they respond as all humans do when they are put on alert. If you are acting suspicious, uncooperative, or confrontational, then you advance their alert level and you must be prepared to deal with that. Additionally, like in Carl’s case, they are trained to investigate. If contact seems suspicious, they look into it. It makes perfect sense that Carl pushed on this traffic stop; it was suspicious. I’ve had lights out on my cars/trailer several times, I never get pulled over unless it is after midnight, and then I get pulled over for them to determine if there is something else wrong; I have never received a ticket. Is it their fault for pulling me over for something stupid…no, it is my fault for not fixing my damn light. As far as the car, use common sense, know the laws, and don’t break them if you don’t want to deal with the consequences. There are many times that I want to go shooting after work, but I don’t bring my AR downtown with me because I know what will happen if for some unknown reason I get caught with it. The issue isn’t whether they can look in my car or not; the issue for me is the hassle and cost if I get caught with something where I know there will be a problem. Because of their policies, I won’t spend money there and support their economy. Hopefully, at some point, I won’t have to work their either. I understand that much of this is based on principal, but LEOs have a difficult job and I consider groups like the Sierra Club, our legislative bodies, and the gun control groups to be a far bigger threat to my liberties than LEOs doing their job.

[Wulf202]

I'd be interested in takes on that. Also, since the law states hunting activities.......if you possessed a valid hunting license and were outdoors/outside city limits wouldn't stating that you were hunting, tracking, practicing shooting for hunting season, hiking to stay fit for hunting season, etc. make legal arguments in case your jacket or shirt "concealed" your sidearm? I've never been hassled for having a firearm or knife on me outside the city, personally......but I'm sure it happens.

varmit season is year round. Squirrels and rabbits and coyotes are everywhere. As long as you're in an area that you could hunt youre covered

[Wulf202]

For rvs ive found that they have to bee hooked up to facilities to be considered a home

[newracer]

1) Bailey you ass! It took me 6 more weeks to rent that apartment!

2) By definition, fishing IS hunting. Is fishing the same as hunting according to Colorado State Statutes though?

That may have not been the intent but I think technically it would be ok.

33-1-102. Definitions

(25.5) "Hunt" means to pursue, attract, stalk, lie in wait for, or attempt to shoot, wound, kill, trap, capture, collect, or take wildlife. "Hunt" does not include stalking, attracting, searching, or lying in wait for wildlife by an unarmed person solely for the purpose of watching or taking photographs of wildlife.

(51) "Wildlife" means wild vertebrates, mollusks, and crustaceans, whether alive or dead, including any part, product, egg, or offspring thereof, that exist as a species in a natural wild state in their place of origin, presently or historically, except those species determined to be domestic animals by rule or regulation by the commission and the state agricultural commission. Such determination within this statute shall not affect other statutes or court decisions determining injury to persons or damage to property which depend on the classification of animals by such statute or court decision as wild or domestic animals.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Why the hell do the cops give me sh*t for driving in the nude?? I walk around the house naked all the time. Just lighting up the mood.

I suspect because the rest of us aren't traumatized by the sight of you walking around your house but that poor kid who sees you in the car will be scarred for life.

[rockhound]

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[spqrzilla]

CRS 18-1-704.5

just read it

Not seeing your point.

[Ronin13]

CRS 18-1-704.5

just read it

Doesn't apply to cars (the topic of this discussion), only applies to dwelling... it even flat out says it in the legislative declaration at the beginning of the statute: "18-1-704.5 (1) The general assembly hereby recognizes that the citizens of Colorado have a right to expect absolute safety within their own homes." So rockhound, what's the pont you're trying to make here?

[rockhound]

sorry grabbed the wrong statute, cant seem to find the right one this time,

The Fourth Amendment's protection against unlawful search and seizure generally makes arbitrary police car searches illegal. If the police search your car without a warrant, your permission, or a valid reason, they are violating your constitutional rights. Nevertheless, police can search a car without a warrant in a number of circumstances.
Courts generally give police more leeway to search a vehicle than a home. Under the "automobile exception" to the search warrant requirement, individuals have less of an expectation of privacy when driving a car. It’s worth noting that states are also free to provide more protections to individual’s privacy rights.
When Can Police Do a Warrantless Search?
Not every police search must be made pursuant to a lawfully executed warrant. The Supreme Court has ruled that warrantless police conduct may comply with the Fourth Amendment, so long as it is reasonable under the circumstances.
So, when can police search your car? Generally, under the following circumstances:

1. You have given the officer consent
2. The officer has probable cause to believe there is evidence of a crime in your vehicle
3. The officer reasonably believes a search is necessary for their own protection (a hidden weapon, for example)
4. You have been arrested and the search is related to that arrest (such as a search for illegal drugs)

Automobiles may be stopped if an officer possesses a reasonable and articulable suspicion that the motorist has violated a traffic law. If the reason for the stop is a minor traffic offense like speeding, the officer likely isn’t permitted to search your car without more reason. However, if police arrest for conduct arising out of a traffic stop, a search of your vehicle incident to arrest will usually be allowed.
Police Can Search Impounded Cars Without a Warrant
- See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal....V9uiX5PU.dpuf