"Your Car Is An Extension of Your Home": What does this mean?

[Great-Kazoo]

I read Carl's post, and while I'm no expert, it didn't seem the least bit "shady"...
I think you did a fine job (not that you need my approval)

The driver voluntarily gave up his 5th rights when he volunteered information about the cash... That is when his real trouble started.
(Well it really started when he decided to start burglarizing homes, but during the stop, he was stuck after that.)

Bottom line, don't lie to police- if you find yourself tempted, use the 5th instead.

Disclaimer: I'm not lawyer, get your own for legal advice...

No 5th ,it's a traffic stop Not a trial. You say minimal outside of DL, reg ins card. Polite chat, weather, time of day. Once you talk outside the box, anything you say that "isn't right" by LE standards. raises Flags. BG's stop, the guy raised numerous flags you could drive a car through. A suspect is fairly easy to see through once you've been around them. They are also uneasy around LE's it's that prison mentality, avoiding eye contact, looking at their feet, fidgity etc.

[JMBD2112]

I hate a thief, and I'm glad you caught him. Thanks for your service.

[asmo]

Watch this over an over until you have memorized every line.

[spqrzilla]

Is it a pain in the ass to get a search warrant from the side of the road?

They don't have to.

[spqrzilla]

Bailey Guns, excellent extended example of how things work re: traffic stops and searches. Search incident to arrest is the cleanest since you don't have to have probable cause for the search itself, just the arrest. And NPOI for the arrest? Oooooooo, that's genius.

[Ah Pook]

The story was meant to simply be an illustration of one of many ways a car can be legally searched without a warrant, nothing more. I'm surprised the conversation lasted as long as it did before the idiot-fest began.
Thanks for the clarification.


Doesn't surprise me. Oftentimes, LEOs are the worst people to ask about gun laws and they're the ones who need to be reminded of what the law actaully says:

18-12-214

(3) (a) A person who may lawfully possess a handgun may carry a handgun under the following circumstances without obtaining a permit and the handgun shall not be considered concealed:

(II) The handgun is in the possession of a person who is legally engaged in hunting activities within the state.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Irving]

The story was meant to simply be an illustration of one of many ways a car can be legally searched without a warrant, nothing more. I'm surprised the conversation lasted as long as it did before the idiot-fest began.



Doesn't surprise me. Oftentimes, LEOs are the worst people to ask about gun laws and they're the ones who need to be reminded of what the law actaully says:

18-12-214

(3) (a) A person who may lawfully possess a handgun may carry a handgun under the following circumstances without obtaining a permit and the handgun shall not be considered concealed:

(II) The handgun is in the possession of a person who is legally engaged in hunting activities within the state.

1) Bailey you ass! It took me 6 more weeks to rent that apartment!

2) By definition, fishing IS hunting. Is fishing the same as hunting according to Colorado State Statutes though?

[roberth]

For what its worth, I think you did some outstanding street work on that stop, Carl.

Yes he did. I couldn't do that job.

[DireWolf]

Be "torn" about it all you want. He wasn't a "known criminal"...at least to me. That's kinda the point, isn't it? In case you missed it, I didn't arrest the guy because he had a large amount of cash and was averse to keeping his money in a bank. As a matter of fact, I simply stated he had a lot of cash. I never asked why. He offered why he had it and his explanation obviously didn't make sense. I arrested him because he didn't have proof the car he was driving was insured. That's a misdemeanor in this state despite the fact you think it's "shady" or an "abuse" of authority. I then developed a case based on what I observed and found in his car. Then I articulated my findings in a report and a warrantless arrest affidavit. A judge reviewed and approved the warrantless arrest, investigators followed up and filed the case with the DA, the DA thought it was a solid case and charged the guy, a judge found reason to hold him for trial and a jury convicted him. Neither the investigators that filed the case, the DA, the judge or the jury ever said anything I did was "shady". The only person who had a problem with it, besides you, was the guy's lawyer. Go figure. It wasn't some "bullshit" as you so eloquently state. And how is a valid arrest an abuse of authority?

Oh,yeah. None of the burglary victims thought what I did was shady or an abuse of my authority, either. As a matter of fact, they were really happy to get at least some of their stuff back...including the cash that turned out to have been stolen from the home of an elderly man.

Maybe it's just me but I'm pretty sure if he had been a small business owner he could've easily said so and wouldn't have had a problem explaining why he had the cash. I'm guessing if he'd been some small business owner he wouldn't have to make up some ridiculous story about going to rent an appt at 0230 in the morning. That may be common behavior in your world, it's not in mine. Or maybe reading comprehension isn't one of your strong suits.

Since you're such a goddamned authority on investigative techniques why don't you explain what, exactly, was shady or abusive and how you would've handled the situation?

Excellent job Bailey. I'm not a cop, but I think you absolutely read the situation well and made the right call.

I'm generally of the opinion that if you're not a dick or up to no good, things will generally turn out well. I've been pulled over with a shit-ton of weapons/ammo/tannerite lying in the back, had encounters with USFS & BLM rangers who probably thought we were at war, and none of those resulted in anything bad happening, aside from maybe a few tense moments at first...probably because I wasn't being a dick or up to no good.

[68Charger]

No 5th ,it's a traffic stop Not a trial. You say minimal outside of DL, reg ins card. Polite chat, weather, time of day. Once you talk outside the box, anything you say that "isn't right" by LE standards. raises Flags. BG's stop, the guy raised numerous flags you could drive a car through. A suspect is fairly easy to see through once you've been around them. They are also uneasy around LE's it's that prison mentality, avoiding eye contact, looking at their feet, fidgity etc.

I was not aware our 5th amendment rights only applied to courtrooms...

My point is, you have the right to remain silent, and not incriminate yourself even if you're NOT under arrest... Use it. Lying is worse than shutting up... Even if you have " nothing to hide"