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    Default Still like Ron Paul? Think again...

    Seriously... F*** Ron Paul. Glad he barely got enough votes to even register on a Richter scale.
    Ron Paul- Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/04/ron-paul-tweets-about-seal-snipers-death-he-who-lives-by-the-sword-dies-by-the-sword/#ixzz2JxQ8Q3Ar
    So to anyone who thinks it was the "lesser of 2 evils" needs to check again- I count 3. Paul has never been supportive of the military and is very outspoken about his stance against military intervention abroad. I only hope his kid isn't the same way.
    ETA: He's basically saying that if you have PTSD you shouldn't be able to own/use guns... What a POS.
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    Wow Ron Paul, that is a dick statement to make. Rather then leaving his brother in arms to a doctor who has no sense what the soldier has been through, he dealt with it head on and tried to help with his own experience. It is truly sad that Chris Kyle died this way and that people would even think to bash him for it

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    Call me out if you think I'm wrong, but I don't think this has anything to do with PTSD...
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    He was irrelevant. Now he's an irrelevant dickhead.

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    I agree it was a "dick statement" as griebel303 says. Horribly ill-advised and improper. I tend to think he was commenting about the irony of Chris's profession and death, albeit horribly insensitive. Regardless, what is the general consensus among our ranks, especially any .mil folks or PTSD stricken members/family members, on having firearms while suffering from PTSD? I have to admit, there is some basis for concern with respect to folks with PTSD and firearms.... It's a pretty wide scale though, and nowhere near a "one bucket" issue. I believe it varies case by case.

    For example, I volunteer with a phenomenal man who is currently overcoming PTSD from exposure to repeated mutilations on the job. He is a medic. He's also a ccw holder, father of 3, and all around standup patriot. I love the guy. I do not have a single concern about him carrying in my presence. On the other hand I went to school with another man with PSTD that he's developed from the sandbox and coming home to a dying father who has since passed, cheating wife, and bitch of a kid. He worries me more than the medic.

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    Paul has some very screwy views on national security (Iran, for example). His view on PTSD seems uninformed at best. I really hate politiciians (any politician)talking about things they know nothing about. He should really stick to OB/GYN stuff.
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    Dr Paul must have very tasty shoes.
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    Anyone else think it's a little convenient that a very outspoken defender of 2a rights is allegedly gunned down by a vet with PTSD, when the administration has been demonizing returning vets? Claim that PTSD is too dangerous to have 2a rights for retuning vets, there by disarming those most qualified to put up an effective resistance, and take out someone that is a natural leader. Two birds one stone. Not getting out the tinfoil yet but this is reading like Enemies Foreign and Domestic.

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    Man, I'm gonna have to read that book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawin View Post
    I agree it was a "dick statement" as griebel303 says. Horribly ill-advised and improper. I tend to think he was commenting about the irony of Chris's profession and death, albeit horribly insensitive. Regardless, what is the general consensus among our ranks, especially any .mil folks or PTSD stricken members/family members, on having firearms while suffering from PTSD? I have to admit, there is some basis for concern with respect to folks with PTSD and firearms.... It's a pretty wide scale though, and nowhere near a "one bucket" issue. I believe it varies case by case.

    For example, I volunteer with a phenomenal man who is currently overcoming PTSD from exposure to repeated mutilations on the job. He is a medic. He's also a ccw holder, father of 3, and all around standup patriot. I love the guy. I do not have a single concern about him carrying in my presence. On the other hand I went to school with another man with PSTD that he's developed from the sandbox and coming home to a dying father who has since passed, cheating wife, and bitch of a kid. He worries me more than the medic.

    Opinions, insights anyone?
    Like you say- it's not a "one bucket" issue, and some do have issues derived from PTSD, but it is not something to where you can do a blanket judgement on everyone with PTSD- some can function perfectly well (myself included), and some have some very real issues (like a fellow vet who threatened to kill himself when he returned home to AZ after we redeployed). I think there might be other factors at work and PTSD is not the only issue afflicting those who end up harming others or themselves. It's much like a crazy person who has no official history of mental illness on record who goes out and buys a gun- you can't predict what they'll do, but you can't punish everyone with similar disorders or issues without them doing anything illegal. I really hope this doesn't present more of a case for the unlawful disarming of veterans suffering from PTSD... A vast majority of us function well in society, responsibly and safely own and operate firearms, and do no harm.
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