Still like Ron Paul? Think again...

[Ronin13]

Seriously... F*** Ron Paul. Glad he barely got enough votes to even register on a Richter scale.
Ron Paul- Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense

http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/04/ron-paul-tweets-about-seal-snipers-death-he-who-lives-by-the-sword-dies-by-the-sword/#ixzz2JxQ8Q3Ar
So to anyone who thinks it was the "lesser of 2 evils" needs to check again- I count 3. Paul has never been supportive of the military and is very outspoken about his stance against military intervention abroad. I only hope his kid isn't the same way.
ETA: He's basically saying that if you have PTSD you shouldn't be able to own/use guns... What a POS.

[griebel303]

Wow Ron Paul, that is a dick statement to make. Rather then leaving his brother in arms to a doctor who has no sense what the soldier has been through, he dealt with it head on and tried to help with his own experience. It is truly sad that Chris Kyle died this way and that people would even think to bash him for it

[HoneyBadger]

Call me out if you think I'm wrong, but I don't think this has anything to do with PTSD...

[Melvin]

Call me out if you think I'm wrong, but I don't think this has anything to do with PTSD...

That whole PTSD was a balloon put out there by some lib in the media for the defense attorney to glom on to because Texas actually kills their killers.

[Ronin13]

That whole PTSD was a balloon put out there by some lib in the media for the defense attorney to glom on to because Texas actually kills their killers.

I have to agree... I think PTSD is what the guy suffers from, but I'll bet he has other problems besides that... Just because he happens to be a PTSD sufferer? C'mon... Fvcking liberal media.

[GilpinGuy]

He was irrelevant. Now he's an irrelevant dickhead.

[Sawin]

I agree it was a "dick statement" as griebel303 says. Horribly ill-advised and improper. I tend to think he was commenting about the irony of Chris's profession and death, albeit horribly insensitive. Regardless, what is the general consensus among our ranks, especially any .mil folks or PTSD stricken members/family members, on having firearms while suffering from PTSD? I have to admit, there is some basis for concern with respect to folks with PTSD and firearms.... It's a pretty wide scale though, and nowhere near a "one bucket" issue. I believe it varies case by case.

For example, I volunteer with a phenomenal man who is currently overcoming PTSD from exposure to repeated mutilations on the job. He is a medic. He's also a ccw holder, father of 3, and all around standup patriot. I love the guy. I do not have a single concern about him carrying in my presence. On the other hand I went to school with another man with PSTD that he's developed from the sandbox and coming home to a dying father who has since passed, cheating wife, and bitch of a kid. He worries me more than the medic.

Opinions, insights anyone?

[Ronin13]

I agree it was a "dick statement" as griebel303 says. Horribly ill-advised and improper. I tend to think he was commenting about the irony of Chris's profession and death, albeit horribly insensitive. Regardless, what is the general consensus among our ranks, especially any .mil folks or PTSD stricken members/family members, on having firearms while suffering from PTSD? I have to admit, there is some basis for concern with respect to folks with PTSD and firearms.... It's a pretty wide scale though, and nowhere near a "one bucket" issue. I believe it varies case by case.

For example, I volunteer with a phenomenal man who is currently overcoming PTSD from exposure to repeated mutilations on the job. He is a medic. He's also a ccw holder, father of 3, and all around standup patriot. I love the guy. I do not have a single concern about him carrying in my presence. On the other hand I went to school with another man with PSTD that he's developed from the sandbox and coming home to a dying father who has since passed, cheating wife, and bitch of a kid. He worries me more than the medic.

Opinions, insights anyone?

Like you say- it's not a "one bucket" issue, and some do have issues derived from PTSD, but it is not something to where you can do a blanket judgement on everyone with PTSD- some can function perfectly well (myself included), and some have some very real issues (like a fellow vet who threatened to kill himself when he returned home to AZ after we redeployed). I think there might be other factors at work and PTSD is not the only issue afflicting those who end up harming others or themselves. It's much like a crazy person who has no official history of mental illness on record who goes out and buys a gun- you can't predict what they'll do, but you can't punish everyone with similar disorders or issues without them doing anything illegal. I really hope this doesn't present more of a case for the unlawful disarming of veterans suffering from PTSD... A vast majority of us function well in society, responsibly and safely own and operate firearms, and do no harm.

[Clint45]

I agree it was a "dick statement" as griebel303 says. Horribly ill-advised and improper. I tend to think he was commenting about the irony of Chris's profession and death, albeit horribly insensitive. Regardless, what is the general consensus among our ranks, especially any .mil folks or PTSD stricken members/family members, on having firearms while suffering from PTSD? I have to admit, there is some basis for concern with respect to folks with PTSD and firearms.... It's a pretty wide scale though, and nowhere near a "one bucket" issue. I believe it varies case by case.

For example, I volunteer with a phenomenal man who is currently overcoming PTSD from exposure to repeated mutilations on the job. He is a medic. He's also a ccw holder, father of 3, and all around standup patriot. I love the guy. I do not have a single concern about him carrying in my presence. On the other hand I went to school with another man with PSTD that he's developed from the sandbox and coming home to a dying father who has since passed, cheating wife, and bitch of a kid. He worries me more than the medic.

Opinions, insights anyone?

"PTSD" covers a very wide spectrum, and it will affect people very differently. In its acute stage it can be dangerous, especially if the individual's nerves are still too raw to hold a job and they're self medicating with whiskey . . . but there is a curve and most people are able to recover and readjust to civilian life without pills or psychotherapy. And even guys who may be a "danger to themselves or others" are extremely unlikely to go on a shooting spree of any sort. Proposing that veterans collecting benefits related to psychological trauma be barred for life from firearm ownership is reprehensible, and anyone supporting such action should be removed from office.

[Ghosty]

Paul has never been supportive of the military and is very outspoken about his stance against military intervention abroad. I only hope his kid isn't the same way.

But the majority of current military supported RP the most out of the three candidates.

...when the administration has been demonizing returning vets?.

This administration hasn't done much to demonize returning vets, that I've seen. The Obamas have both been big supporters of treating PTSD. Not arguing with ya, just what I've read, so I'd like to the read the flip side of the coin...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...ccess-mental-h

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1199136.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-...b_1948415.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...37-503544.html