Still like Ron Paul? Think again...

[Clint45]

I agree it was a "dick statement" as griebel303 says. Horribly ill-advised and improper. I tend to think he was commenting about the irony of Chris's profession and death, albeit horribly insensitive. Regardless, what is the general consensus among our ranks, especially any .mil folks or PTSD stricken members/family members, on having firearms while suffering from PTSD? I have to admit, there is some basis for concern with respect to folks with PTSD and firearms.... It's a pretty wide scale though, and nowhere near a "one bucket" issue. I believe it varies case by case.

For example, I volunteer with a phenomenal man who is currently overcoming PTSD from exposure to repeated mutilations on the job. He is a medic. He's also a ccw holder, father of 3, and all around standup patriot. I love the guy. I do not have a single concern about him carrying in my presence. On the other hand I went to school with another man with PSTD that he's developed from the sandbox and coming home to a dying father who has since passed, cheating wife, and bitch of a kid. He worries me more than the medic.

Opinions, insights anyone?

"PTSD" covers a very wide spectrum, and it will affect people very differently. In its acute stage it can be dangerous, especially if the individual's nerves are still too raw to hold a job and they're self medicating with whiskey . . . but there is a curve and most people are able to recover and readjust to civilian life without pills or psychotherapy. And even guys who may be a "danger to themselves or others" are extremely unlikely to go on a shooting spree of any sort. Proposing that veterans collecting benefits related to psychological trauma be barred for life from firearm ownership is reprehensible, and anyone supporting such action should be removed from office.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Anyone else think it's a little convenient that a very outspoken defender of 2a rights is allegedly gunned down by a vet with PTSD, when the administration has been demonizing returning vets? Claim that PTSD is too dangerous to have 2a rights for retuning vets, there by disarming those most qualified to put up an effective resistance, and take out someone that is a natural leader. Two birds one stone. Not getting out the tinfoil yet but this is reading like Enemies Foreign and Domestic.

There's really no need for conspiracy theory here. It was a tragic incident but tragedies happen. Anyone who pulls the "Karma" or "live by the sword, die by the sword" crap out is a POS waste of carbon and oxygen. Much as I didn't support Ron Paul's candidacy and think his foreign policy is out of the 18th century, I didn't expect this kind of dick-headedness from him.

[Ghosty]

Paul has never been supportive of the military and is very outspoken about his stance against military intervention abroad. I only hope his kid isn't the same way.

But the majority of current military supported RP the most out of the three candidates.

...when the administration has been demonizing returning vets?.

This administration hasn't done much to demonize returning vets, that I've seen. The Obamas have both been big supporters of treating PTSD. Not arguing with ya, just what I've read, so I'd like to the read the flip side of the coin...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...ccess-mental-h

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1199136.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-...b_1948415.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...37-503544.html

[Ronin13]

But the majority of current military supported RP the most out of the three candidates.


This administration hasn't done much to demonize returning vets, that I've seen. The Obamas have both been big supporters of treating PTSD. Not arguing with ya, just what I've read, so I'd like to the read the flip side of the coin...

1st- That doesn't change the fact that Paul doesn't believe we should do anything militarily, regardless of the circumstances, and is not pro-military. I don't think your run of the mill troops really looked into his defense and foreign policy very hard, otherwise they'd probably realize that if he really had his way most would be out of a job.
2nd- You didn't see that DHS notice that returning vets are at risk of becoming homegrown terrorists? Yes, this administration is out to demonize veterans... you need to stop getting your news from Huffpo.

[UncleDave]

^^^^^This^^^^^


I am not saying that there is a conspiracy afoot, but I find the timing fits in a little too well with the agenda of the regime. I agree tragic things happen every day, and they are not all part of an agenda. It is just a little too coincidental for me given the current climate.

[Sawin]

"PTSD" covers a very wide spectrum, and it will affect people very differently. In its acute stage it can be dangerous, especially if the individual's nerves are still too raw to hold a job and they're self medicating with whiskey . . . but there is a curve and most people are able to recover and readjust to civilian life without pills or psychotherapy. And even guys who may be a "danger to themselves or others" are extremely unlikely to go on a shooting spree of any sort. Proposing that veterans collecting benefits related to psychological trauma be barred for life from firearm ownership is reprehensible, and anyone supporting such action should be removed from office.

Absolutely, positively agreed. The concerning thing to me is that the left and the media see that small cross-section of PTSD sufferers who are a possible threat (to themselves or the public), as a much larger one than they might actually be. This all goes back to the poor state of our mental health system in this country, and folks not being able to get the help they need...The left and the media will not let any tragedy go to waste where they can vilify a much broader subset of the freedom-loving-community, than any reasonable person would include. Since <1% of returning vets with PTSD could possibly become "home grown terrorists", they're doing their best to make them all out to be. Exactly the same way they see gun-owners...

We need to facilitate a counter to their finger pointing to call them out for their hypocracy and unpatriotic, tyrannical aspirations.... there are tons out there trying, I know there are, but the media is playing against us.

[Melvin]

Call me out if you think I'm wrong, but I don't think this has anything to do with PTSD...

That whole PTSD was a balloon put out there by some lib in the media for the defense attorney to glom on to because Texas actually kills their killers.

[Ronin13]

That whole PTSD was a balloon put out there by some lib in the media for the defense attorney to glom on to because Texas actually kills their killers.

I have to agree... I think PTSD is what the guy suffers from, but I'll bet he has other problems besides that... Just because he happens to be a PTSD sufferer? C'mon... Fvcking liberal media.

[Ghosty]

1st- That doesn't change the fact that Paul doesn't believe we should do anything militarily, regardless of the circumstances, and is not pro-military. I don't think your run of the mill troops really looked into his defense and foreign policy very hard, otherwise they'd probably realize that if he really had his way most would be out of a job.

Yep, that is true, many of those troops haven't fully vetted RP and ALL his policies, in depth. And yes I'm aware of RP's stance on anti-imperialism and getting our noses out of every foreign venture. I agree with some of his views, but not all.

2nd- You didn't see that DHS notice that returning vets are at risk of becoming homegrown terrorists? Yes, this administration is out to demonize veterans... you need to stop getting your news from Huffpo.

I'm open-minded so I get my news from all over, left/right/center/foreign/etc. then make up my own mind. That includes Fox, CNN, local stations, BBC, Reuters, AP, Huffington, etc. Not only Fox & PrisonPlanet. Just because it's on Huffington doesn't mean it didn't happen. What I linked isn't a fabricated conspiracy. Even the First Lady is a staunch supporter of veteran's health & benefits.

And you're right I didn't see that DHS note, but will need to research further, and within context, to say anything about that.

[funkymonkey1111]

Yes, the current administration are big advocates of PTSD classification:

http://www.examiner.com/article/sena...d-vets-of-guns