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[Aloha_Shooter]

Now THAT is how you state a position!

Take a good look bryjcom and Goodburbon. No allusions, no insinuations, no snotty accusations of someone taking what you said wrong. Just a clearly and unapologetically stated belief.

Nope, nothing but pure stupidity augmented by brainwashing from MoveOn.org, OWS and other propaganda tools. I'm ashamed this tool claims to be from Colorado Springs as s/he sounds more like a Boulderite or Kommiepornia whackjob.

S/he may sincerely believe this garbage but all the belief in the world won't make him/her right just as all the hope and change in the world won't fix effed up fiscal policies, anti-American foreign policy or intentional ignorance about the Constitution.

[Mick-Boy]

Nope, nothing but pure stupidity augmented by brainwashing from MoveOn.org, OWS and other propaganda tools. I'm ashamed this tool claims to be from Colorado Springs as s/he sounds more like a Boulderite or Kommiepornia whackjob.

S/he may sincerely believe this garbage but all the belief in the world won't make him/her right just as all the hope and change in the world won't fix effed up fiscal policies, anti-American foreign policy or intentional ignorance about the Constitution.

Oh I agree it's nonsense. But I respect someone with the courage of their convictions to come right out and say what they think. As opposed to some of the weak willed alluding that has happened in this thread.

I prefer an enemy that will look me in the eye.

[Goodburbon]

Oh I agree it's nonsense. But I respect someone with the courage of their convictions to come right out and say what they think. As opposed to some of the weak willed alluding that has happened in this thread.

I prefer an enemy that will look me in the eye.

I Didn't know we were enemies.

You want my position, no "alluding"?

I don't find what RP said offensive. The man lived by the gun, sold books about the gun, trained people with guns, and died at the barrel of a gun. Was the death right? No. Did he deserve to die that way, at that time, by hands of a man he was trying to help? No.

but he did



I also see the statement as a reflection of our foriegn policy in general. If RP had been president this guy wouldn't have gone overseas, developed PTSD, and killed another Veteran for no reason.




I also refuse to argue with someone who takes what I say, interprets it to mean something completely extreme, and proceeds to destroy THAT. That guy wasn't debating, he was having fun beating up straw men.

I don't believe that RP is saying that we're the CAUSE of the problems in the middle east. He's saying that if we hadn't meddled with them, their focus wouldn't be on us, and that we would have the moral high ground. We meddled, pissed them off, tried to control the direction of their growth, and financed them. This has them pissed off, and it's directed at us. Deserved or not. Out of sight, out of mind, we are not out of sight.

I also don't believe that RP's foriegn policy is wacky after reflecting on it a bit. I did at first, but then I sat and really thought about what it is that I believe that America is and stands for. Currently We act like we think we can buy friends so we pay countries like Pakistan. We supply enemies who suppress what we believe are worse enemies Like the Egyptian government pre-Arab spring. We helped to create a Jewish state in the middle of downtown Muhammedville, and the muzzies hate us for it, it's not because we are "free". It's not because we are immoral in their eyes, though that does help them justify killing us. It's time for the world to fend for itself. We try to help and they all hate us for it, so fuck them. I'm not saying isolate, I'm saying stop meddling and picking sides in foriegn conflicts, it only serves to bite us in the ass when the other side prevails. Protect our Country, come to the aid of our Allies when they are in need, that is the function of our military. Not to invade countries to "establish democracy", not to "project force". Our military should be the sleeping dragon that no one dares to awaken, not the dog on a chain that everyone taunts to the limits of that chain.

RP also supports repealing the NFA acts.

am I a paul bot...no. I do not hold all things he says sacred, nor would I follow him to the ends of the earth. I do believe that he was a glimmer of hope at restoring our country, and that most "conservatives" are too stubborn to see that. You can see it when they bluster at the thought of his foreign policy before even hearing it out and understanding it.

[Melvin]

Live by the sword by by the sword. How does this not not apply to any militaty member(any) that volunteers to join our imperialististic invading force? There is no reason for us to occupy Iraq, they posed no credible threat to our country. Anyone joining the military lately should realize they are part of an invading, imperialistic, evil force. Just because you kill in the name of the US does not make it morally right. The USA ( gov of the US) holds no monopoly on morality, which should be clear if one knows anything about history. There is no illusion of self defense when you invade a country thousands of miles away with no means of attacking the USA. How can one be a hero for attacking a defenseless poplulace that is not directly attacking us, and is powerless to defend itself from the power such that we possess? There is nothing heroic about slaughtering 'enemies' that are defending their homeland against invaders with superior weapons. His death, tragic as it is, was a direct result of people such as you that glorify killing, falsely, in the name of freedom whilst innocents are being repressed by the very freedom you pretend to defend. These killers that we breed to do our evil bidding, are certain to breed evil when they return home. This is just a sympton of the sickness of our society that many of you so clearly demonstrate. Simply, a sociopath killer was murdered by a disturbed member of our society who could not reconcile our society's blood lust for killing of those who may disagree or outsmart us businessswise.

Hey another minnesotan makes an entrance. Must be the water up there.

[XC700116]

Hey another minnesotan makes an entrance. Must be the water up there.

WTF are you talking about?

[Ronin13]

Live by the sword by by the sword. How does this not not apply to any militaty member(any) that volunteers to join our imperialististic invading force? There is no reason for us to occupy Iraq, they posed no credible threat to our country. Anyone joining the military lately should realize they are part of an invading, imperialistic, evil force. Just because you kill in the name of the US does not make it morally right. The USA ( gov of the US) holds no monopoly on morality, which should be clear if one knows anything about history. There is no illusion of self defense when you invade a country thousands of miles away with no means of attacking the USA. How can one be a hero for attacking a defenseless poplulace that is not directly attacking us, and is powerless to defend itself from the power such that we possess? There is nothing heroic about slaughtering 'enemies' that are defending their homeland against invaders with superior weapons. His death, tragic as it is, was a direct result of people such as you that glorify killing, falsely, in the name of freedom whilst innocents are being repressed by the very freedom you pretend to defend. These killers that we breed to do our evil bidding, are certain to breed evil when they return home. This is just a sympton of the sickness of our society that many of you so clearly demonstrate. Simply, a sociopath killer was murdered by a disturbed member of our society who could not reconcile our society's blood lust for killing of those who may disagree or outsmart us businessswise.

Wow... I'd love to make you eat those words, guy.

[Fmedges]

Live by the sword by by the sword. How does this not not apply to any militaty member(any) that volunteers to join our imperialististic invading force? There is no reason for us to occupy Iraq, they posed no credible threat to our country. Anyone joining the military lately should realize they are part of an invading, imperialistic, evil force. Just because you kill in the name of the US does not make it morally right. The USA ( gov of the US) holds no monopoly on morality, which should be clear if one knows anything about history. There is no illusion of self defense when you invade a country thousands of miles away with no means of attacking the USA. How can one be a hero for attacking a defenseless poplulace that is not directly attacking us, and is powerless to defend itself from the power such that we possess? There is nothing heroic about slaughtering 'enemies' that are defending their homeland against invaders with superior weapons. His death, tragic as it is, was a direct result of people such as you that glorify killing, falsely, in the name of freedom whilst innocents are being repressed by the very freedom you pretend to defend. These killers that we breed to do our evil bidding, are certain to breed evil when they return home. This is just a sympton of the sickness of our society that many of you so clearly demonstrate. Simply, a sociopath killer was murdered by a disturbed member of our society who could not reconcile our society's blood lust for killing of those who may disagree or outsmart us businessswise.

I would like to meet up and buy you a sandwhich.

[HBARleatherneck]

I would like to meet up and buy you a sandwhich.

you mean a knuckle sandwich dont you?

[Fmedges]

you mean a knuckle sandwich dont you?

Possibly

[Ronin13]

Possibly

Can I join!? Hey, I'm always up to aid a Marine in uh... sandwich "buying"!