Question: Someone else paying for a firearm purchase

[jackthewall81]

I pretty sure this wont work, but just want to make sure. Say a buddy wants to buy a gun for his friend. Say the buddy pays for a gun online, and has all of the shipping and transfer information under his friends name. So everything is under the friends name, except the credit card information. Could the friend pick up the gun, or does it have to be picked up by the person who's name is on the credit card?

I am pretty the answer is no, but just want some facts. And say the buddy who is buying is out of town indefinitely.

[rockhound]

translation: so I found this credit card and want to buy a gun

[TennVol]

Whoever picks up the gun (transferee) fills out the 4473. It doesn't matter who pays for it. The FFL holder who performs the transfer could care less who pays for the gun. He cares a lot who fills out the 4473 and is the actual owner of the weapon. The actual owner is the one who fills out the 4473, regardless of who paid for it. Someone else paying for your weapon isn't a straw purchase. We had a lot of people come in to Sportsman's Warehouse who paid for a weapon that wasn't going to belong to them. The owner always filled out the 4473.

[Uberjager]

If the guy who's paying for it, will be receiving it, then it would be a straw purchase. However, if he's paying for the gun for someone else, then it's not an issue.

[def90]

I'm 90% sure it would be a straw purchase.

How is that? The straw purchase comes about if the background check is done under someone else's name. If I bought a gun with the purpose of giving it to you and then filled out the 4473 for myself and then gave the gun to you that would be a straw purchase. Anyone can pay for the gun as long as the guy that is getting the rifle has the 4473 filled out in his name.

[Uberjager]

How is that? The straw purchase comes about if the background check is done under someone else's name. If I bought a gun with the purpose of giving it to you and then filled out the 4473 for myself and then gave the gun to you that would be a straw purchase. Anyone can pay for the gun as long as the guy that is getting the rifle has the 4473 filled out in his name.

I must have phrased my post wrong.

[jackthewall81]

translation: so I found this credit card and want to buy a gun

Why are we so pessimistic!

[10mm-man]

Whoever picks up the gun (transferee) fills out the 4473. It doesn't matter who pays for it. The FFL holder who performs the transfer could care less who pays for the gun. He cares a lot who fills out the 4473 and is the actual owner of the weapon. The actual owner is the one who fills out the 4473, regardless of who paid for it. Someone else paying for your weapon isn't a straw purchase. We had a lot of people come in to Sportsman's Warehouse who paid for a weapon that wasn't going to belong to them. The owner always filled out the 4473.

I had someone say; Hey I bought this gun can you do a transfer? Sure! Ok, so when it comes in, it is in someone else's name because someone else paid for it. But the guy paying for it buddy wants to pick it up and do the paperwork-BGC. Well guess what, I do care and decline to do it. It is up to the FFL, but in this case I declined to do it. Why? Because IMO, the person who pays for it, owns it. And there is no reason the person paying for it can't do the background check.

EDIT: Just read above about people going in to a shop to buy a gun. Say; MOM want's to pay for son to have a gun. Mom pays and son fills out BGC. That would be ok IMO. Another thing is bonifide gifts; no reason Mom, Dad, bro, Sis, etc. can't buy that gun and give it as a gift. (with in the law)

Remember; an FFL does not have to do the transfer and can decline for "WHATEVER REASON HE CHOOSES"........

[Teufelhund]

How is that? The straw purchase comes about if the background check is done under someone else's name. If I bought a gun with the purpose of giving it to you and then filled out the 4473 for myself and then gave the gun to you that would be a straw purchase. Anyone can pay for the gun as long as the guy that is getting the rifle has the 4473 filled out in his name.

I'm curious how this is different from you buying a gun and then giving it to someone as a gift.

[th3w01f]

Remember; an FFL does not have to do the transfer and can decline for "WHATEVER REASON HE CHOOSES"........

I agree with this but I'm curious what happens then? Can the FFL that declined send it to another local FFL willing to do the transfer or does it have to go back to the shipper?