LAPD manhunt for one of their own - Christopher Dorner

[dwalker460]

Yeah, he makes a number of claims that sound like mere bluster. Other claims and allegations, however, have the 'ring' of truth - at least, as I read it.

Like I wrote earlier, I am curious about the impressions of others who read the entire document closely. Is it the work of a 1st-rate nutbag? A guy leading a decent life by all accounts and then something snapped and he just dropped off the deep end? My sense is the guy was mildly to moderately imbalanced for quite some time but managed to hold it together to keep out of trouble for his military and early police career. He began to witness some things that, for some reason, touched a nerve in him deep inside. Were those real or imagined? Did he exaggerate them or act out-of-proportion to the norm? Again, my sense is it was a combination of real and exaggerated. In any case, his current actions are going to shine a spotlight on the LAPD - which seemed his primary objective. His secondary objective, though necessary to achieve the primary, is targeting and killing those whom he feels wronged him.

Just my take. FWIW

Problem is nutcases dont generally manage to get a bunch of security clearances and lead security forces in the Navy if you are barely holding it together. I think he is a trained individual dealing with his issues the best way he can make sense of it. Real or not, he feels betrayed and lied to, by people he was supposed to be able to trust with his life, and he has decided to fix the situation. He obviously knows he will be killed, so its equally obvious he wants to call attention to a specific set of circumstances. Sometimes, right or wrong, someone chooses to fight rather than be a victim. In his mind, he is a victim and he is fighting back. You dont have to agree with him ( I dont) , and it is not worse because he is targeting cops. Easy answer is dont be a crooked cop, dont get shot, since he seems to be going out of his way to only shoot people he feels (or has knowledge of) being dirty.

[DHC]

Problem is nutcases dont generally manage to get a bunch of security clearances and lead security forces in the Navy if you are barely holding it together. I think he is a trained individual dealing with his issues the best way he can make sense of it. Real or not, he feels betrayed and lied to, by people he was supposed to be able to trust with his life, and he has decided to fix the situation. He obviously knows he will be killed, so its equally obvious he wants to call attention to a specific set of circumstances. Sometimes, right or wrong, someone chooses to fight rather than be a victim. In his mind, he is a victim and he is fighting back. You dont have to agree with him ( I dont) , and it is not worse because he is targeting cops. Easy answer is dont be a crooked cop, dont get shot, since he seems to be going out of his way to only shoot people he feels (or has knowledge of) being dirty.

Agreed on some points. It is not at all trivial to acquire TS/SCI. If I recall correctly, that involved a full lifestyle background investigation and comprehensive polygraph.

As for his targets, some of his warnings led me to believe he would not restrict himself to only those specifically targeted and there may be collateral damage of innocents. It made me think he intended to be indiscriminate once underway. Not sure of his current victims support that or not.

[DomEOD]

Agreed on some points. It is not at all trivial to acquire TS/SCI. If I recall correctly, that involved a full lifestyle background investigation and comprehensive polygraph.

As for his targets, some of his warnings led me to believe he would not restrict himself to only those specifically targeted and there may be collateral damage of innocents. It made me think he intended to be indiscriminate once underway. Not sure of his current victims support that or not.

No polygraph required (employers choice). All they do is call 1 or two of your references, check your credit/debt, and make sure you're not a felon. Then you get your clearance within 6 months.

[TheGrey]

No polygraph required (employers choice). All they do is call 1 or two of your references, check your credit/debt, and make sure you're not a felon. Then you get your clearance within 6 months.

I'm confused- are you referencing the TS/SCI clearance for the military? They do a full lifestyle background check, which means face-to-face interviews with people from your hometown, as well as checking for various classes of misdemeanors. The poly depends on your job.

Or did they change the standards of the TS/SCI?

[HoneyBadger]

I'm confused- are you referencing the TS/SCI clearance for the military? They do a full lifestyle background check, which means face-to-face interviews with people from your hometown, as well as checking for various classes of misdemeanors. The poly depends on your job.

Or did they change the standards of the TS/SCI?

I have been FTF interviewed for a friend's TS clearance... as of last year, this is still how they do things.

[theGinsue]

I'm confused- are you referencing the TS/SCI clearance for the military? They do a full lifestyle background check, which means face-to-face interviews with people from your hometown, as well as checking for various classes of misdemeanors. The poly depends on your job.

Or did they change the standards of the TS/SCI?

DomEOD is incorrect. TheGrey is correct. I deal in this environment daily. In fact, it's more involved than what's been posted, but what TheGrey said is accurate enough for public consumption.

[DHC]

No polygraph required (employers choice). All they do is call 1 or two of your references, check your credit/debt, and make sure you're not a felon. Then you get your clearance within 6 months.

Could be it is different for government contractors. I distinctly recall the TS/SCI being significantly more intrusive than a TS alone. It takes longer to complete the background investigation and the lifestyle poly is a b!tch. As you suggest, maybe active/reserve military has a more streamlined process.

[DomEOD]

I'm confused- are you referencing the TS/SCI clearance for the military? They do a full lifestyle background check, which means face-to-face interviews with people from your hometown, as well as checking for various classes of misdemeanors. The poly depends on your job.

Or did they change the standards of the TS/SCI?

When they did mine they just called my references. (I know, really?)

Could be it is different for government contractors. I distinctly recall the TS/SCI being significantly more intrusive than a TS alone. It takes longer to complete the background investigation and the lifestyle poly is a b!tch. As you suggest, maybe active/reserve military has a more streamlined process.

I would assume the military's process is much more streamlined since they have to crank them out quickly. For example, some jobs that require TS/SCI only require a few months of training before they're at a unit.

[TheGrey]

When they did mine they just called my references. (I know, really?)





I would assume the military's process is much more streamlined since they have to crank them out quickly. For example, some jobs that require TS/SCI only require a few months of training before they're at a unit.

When they did mine, they did face-to-face interviews, and asked my references for references. i think they spoke with just about everyone in my hometown.

I remember several people working weeds n seeds while waiting on their clearances. It didn't matter how fast they could zoom through tech school...there were plenty of chow halls to paint or rocks to wash while waiting for that clearance.

[DomEOD]

When they did mine, they did face-to-face interviews, and asked my references for references. i think they spoke with just about everyone in my hometown.

I remember several people working weeds n seeds while waiting on their clearances. It didn't matter how fast they could zoom through tech school...there were plenty of chow halls to paint or rocks to wash while waiting for that clearance.

I got mine during an enlistment surge so i bet that's why mine was so minimal. I think it's ridiculous how minimal it was given what the clearance can access.