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    Well, I have to leave CO this summer and I will be sending a letter to the Governor, Secretary of State, my local Senator and Rep when I do to let them know I am shaking the dust of their oppressive state off my sandals and never returning. I was planning to come back for Elk season on my last resident permit, but not if this passes the full legislature.

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    I have a few thoughts about "leaving the state" over these laws.

    • Back in 2002 I left Kansas. One of the myriad of reasons I moved from Kansas to Colorado was because at the time Kathleen Sibelius was the governor. Since we've moved the backlash against the left there has been fierce and now they have one of the most conservative governors the state has ever seen (former Senator Sam Brownback). So Kansas is now very much to the right of Colorado (more than just geographically). When I moved here there was a Republican governor and concealed carry in CO, neither of which were in Kansas. So things can change and change rather rapidly (unfortunately Kansas can't grow mountains overnight so they won't win me back).
    • If all the decent conservative folk "take their ball and go to a new home" then Colorado is just going to get worse. California does enough damage to the culture in America we don't need a second one. Maybe the time will come for decent conservative folk to leave, but I'm not convinced that now is the time.
    • Aside from the changes in politics over the past few years, I really really like living here (of course the more leftward the state moves, the less I'll like it and probably the less I'll be able to afford it).
    • At the moment, I couldn't afford to move if my hair was on fire.


    I certainly understand the desire to leave (and honestly there are days I wake up with this intense feeling that I need to pack my shit and go) but I think there is still a chance to take the state back. That said, if it doesn't happen in the next election cycle or two then I'll concede its time to go as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    I have a few thoughts about "leaving the state" over these laws.

    • Back in 2002 I left Kansas. One of the myriad of reasons I moved from Kansas to Colorado was because at the time Kathleen Sibelius was the governor. Since we've moved the backlash against the left there has been fierce and now they have one of the most conservative governors the state has ever seen (former Senator Sam Brownback). So Kansas is now very much to the right of Colorado (more than just geographically). When I moved here there was a Republican governor and concealed carry in CO, neither of which were in Kansas. So things can change and change rather rapidly (unfortunately Kansas can't grow mountains overnight so they won't win me back).
    • If all the decent conservative folk "take their ball and go to a new home" then Colorado is just going to get worse. California does enough damage to the culture in America we don't need a second one. Maybe the time will come for decent conservative folk to leave, but I'm not convinced that now is the time.
    • Aside from the changes in politics over the past few years, I really really like living here (of course the more leftward the state moves, the less I'll like it and probably the less I'll be able to afford it).
    • At the moment, I couldn't afford to move if my hair was on fire.


    I certainly understand the desire to leave (and honestly there are days I wake up with this intense feeling that I need to pack my shit and go) but I think there is still a chance to take the state back. That said, if it doesn't happen in the next election cycle or two then I'll concede its time to go as well.
    Things I love about Colorado:
    1) Mountains and the outdoors
    2) Was born and raised here
    3) Shooting and hunting

    Things I hate:
    1) Political happenings
    2) Population density
    3) New anti gun stance
    4) Land shooting closures all summer due to "fire hazard"
    4) No fireworks ever
    5) Living in Boulder County
    6) Rising cost of living while income is staying flat
    7) Tax increases
    8) Voted in Obuttface (Nobody I have voted for since I got out of the military has won a single election, literally zero)
    9) Emissions testing facilities
    10) Hippies and libtards
    11) Pot legalization

    I could keep going but I am getting mad. I was born and raised here so I have watched the decay as it happened. This state is now California in the 80's and there is no stopping it. They are called progressives for a reason. If you could tell me one way to stop this swing towards complete retardation I would consider staying. I have sent email after email to get canned responses that are diametrically opposed to my views and concerns, I have showed support to rallies, NRA, RMGO and local business that supports my beliefs and where has that gotten us? It has not even slowed down. I am tired of feeling like everyone that represents me is a boner biting leftist ass hat that is completely incapable of rational thought and without a shred of moral or ethical standards. There are other states with mountains hunting and lower taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danimal View Post
    8) Voted in Obuttface (Nobody I have voted for since I got out of the military has won a single election, literally zero)
    Make damn sure you vote for Hillary next go around.

    I'm not leaving this state. I just moved here and I'll be real pissed if you all cut and run, we need to fight this(respectfully and peacefully) but we can come out stronger after this. This state has too much to offer in the way of jobs, outdoor activities, and beauty for me to want to leave. We just need to do everything in our power to make it a 2nd amendment friendly state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogman2121 View Post
    Make damn sure you vote for Hillary next go around.

    I'm not leaving this state. I just moved here and I'll be real pissed if you all cut and run, we need to fight this(respectfully and peacefully) but we can come out stronger after this. This state has too much to offer in the way of jobs, outdoor activities, and beauty for me to want to leave. We just need to do everything in our power to make it a 2nd amendment friendly state.
    This is what I'm wondering, though, HOW!? If it becomes state law and we effectively will be no longer able to purchase "hi-cap" magazines, or F2F sales w/o 4473, then what can we do then? What are our options at that point other than the obvious GTFO of here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    This is what I'm wondering, though, HOW!? If it becomes state law and we effectively will be no longer able to purchase "hi-cap" magazines, or F2F sales w/o 4473, then what can we do then? What are our options at that point other than the obvious GTFO of here?
    Well Then I guess we'll have to vote people into office that are willing to remove welfare type benefits from people so that they'll leave and we can get the state back. Fiscal responsibility and removing incentives for freeloaders should take care of two problems... we'll no longer have to pay for things we disagree with and the liberals will leave.

    Maybe I'm wrong but seems like that could be a backdoor way of doing it. It'll take awhile but getting people to agree on money seems to be easier than agreeing on gun rights, it's much less of a hot button issue.


    Maybe we also need to start running commercials during the daytime trash tv that highlight the benefits people can receive for doing nothing in California immediated followed by inexpensive moving company commercials. Let's ship those assclowns back to where they came from.
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    I can partly agree with Melvin- although the action should be to gather people to show these stains on the mattress that their proposed legislation will not stand (I'm talking peaceful here, don't need 200 Dorners running around).

    My real question is will our boycotting actually work? Look at 64, after its passing we can expect all the little stoners to flock to CO for their green fix.. I fear that will offset whatever action we do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    I can partly agree with Melvin- although the action should be to gather people to show these stains on the mattress that their proposed legislation will not stand (I'm talking peaceful here, don't need 200 Dorners running around).

    My real question is will our boycotting actually work? Look at 64, after its passing we can expect all the little stoners to flock to CO for their green fix.. I fear that will offset whatever action we do.
    The only non violent action is to take a page out of the playbook of the stoners and combine it with a page from TABOR. Use the same tactics through the referendum process and amend the CO constitution to ban all gun related legislation and overturn anything that has been created in the last 40 years. And place in it a clause that any legislator that mentions gun control be imprisoned indefinitely using the homeland security act.

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    I don't think Colorado is going to get better. I've lived here my entire life, (except for 5 years in WY) and it's been a slow, measurable shift toward the left. Too much influx of immigrants from the west coast and south of the border. I love the state, and I don't hold the illusion that any other state is going to be (or remain) a perfect haven for my views (except maybe texas... ). So although I intend to move in a few years, it's more to find a huge patch of cheap land to build a homestead on. A patch of land in which I and my loved ones will anything we damn well feel we have a constitutional right to, and is far enough away from any townships to draw attention to ourselves.

    If for some reason I'm unable to leave the state as easily as I would prefer, or find a good deal on land here, I'll stick it out. And continue to partake in EVERYTHING that's granted to me by the Constitution, until it's no longer physically possible. They can shove their publicity-whore legislation up their collective Obamas.

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