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    Response today from my state congress critter, Johnathan Singer.



    First of all, I want to thank all of you who over the last few weeks took your time to write to me regarding your concerns surrounding gun legislation at the State House. I have never met so many passionate people with such differing views. I spent time with competitive shooting instructors, students for and against concealed carry on campus, gun control advocates, educators, and law enforcement experts.

    Before all was said and done, I went to the Longmont Police Department Shooting Range, used firearms for the first time (including the AR-15), and co-hosted a bi-partisan debate on gun laws with former Sen. Ken Gordon, Weld County DA Ken Buck, Dr. John Lott, and John Head. I sat down with constituents who had never even thought of contacting their elected official before and received literally thousands of emails and hundreds of phone calls. My part time staff and I are still dealing with the backlog, and it’s why I’m responding later than I normally would.

    Here’s the breakdown of my votes. I didn’t come to any of these decisions quickly or easily. I know I caused a lot of consternation for wanting to examine all of the angles before casting my vote Monday. I’d rather make a tough informed decision than a knee-jerk ignorant vote.

    House Bill 1229 - Requiring background checks for private sellers: YES
    I voted yes on this bill based on the fact that Colorado’s comprehensive background checks have done a good job so far of stopping criminals from buying guns. When I met with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) recently they told me thatlast year alone, the CBI check resulted in the arrest of over 200 fugitives trying to illegally buy guns. Closing the private seller loophole better protects our citizens and gives sellers the peace of mind that they are selling to a law abiding citizen.

    House Bill 1228 - Ending the taxpayer subsidy of CBI background checks: YES
    As a former child protection, day care, and nursing home worker, either myself or my employer had to pay for my CBI background check. Last year, taxpayers subsidized gun buyers to the tune of nearly $2 million for that same background check. The average cost of a check is $12.00. This fee for service bill is fair and not financially restrictive.

    House Bill 1224 - Limiting magazines to 15 Rounds: YES
    Honestly this was a tough one. Some states have limited rounds to 7 per magazine, other states would allow a magazine of 100+ bullets. Originally this bill would have set the limit to 10 bullets. I believe the amendment allowing 15 bullets represents a compromise. I don’t believe that limiting magazine size will stop all crime. But in the case of mass shootings, I want to give bystanders the opportunity to get to safety and to stop the shooter (as happened in Arizona). The bill was amended to allow Colorado magazine companies such as Magpul to continue producing in the state. I hope this will save jobs, and I intend to visit their Headquarters very soon to talk to them about their concerns.

    House Bill 1226 - College Campus Ban on Concealed Carry: YES
    This may in fact have been the toughest vote for me. I truly believe that campus students, faculty and staff should have a say in their own campus life. The courts took that voice away when they permitted concealed carry essentially everywhere on campus.
    Fear was the common thread among students I met with on this issue. Students for the bill were afraid that they could not freely disagree with their classmates without fear of violent reprisal. Students against the bill were afraid to walk home alone at night without some way to protect themselves. The outpouring of phone calls, text messages and emails from constituents and students across the state in favor of this bill put me in the YES column at the 11th Hour. We still have a responsibility to those students who fear for their well-being.
    While I believe that those that would carry concealed are a minority, they are not an insignificant portion of the population and they have every right to feel as safe as any student. Since we at the Capitol made this decision on their behalf, it is now our responsibility to work with them to find new solutions.

    I know that I haven't necessarily made a lot of friends throughout this debate, but I hope we can continue this discourse respectfully and without our ideologies blinding us to the real fear, passion, and desire to build a better, freer, safer Colorado.

    Sincerely,

    Rep. Singer

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    My Rep identified some State Democrat Senators that could be focused on...


    Dear Chris,

    I have been fighting the good fight for our 2nd Amendment rights in the House along with my fellow Republicans. However, the Dems have been outvoting us at every turn. The fight on the House floor is over for now, but the battle will go on. The Senate has to hear the bills and the Governor will have to sign them. Keep working on our opponents!
    According to my Republican Senate colleagues, the Senators that might be persuaded by sending e-mails and letters or making calls would be: Senators Mary Hodge, Cheri Jahn, Andy Kerr, Jeanne Nicholson, Gail Schwartz, and Lois Tochtrop. Below are their email addresses, phone numbers, and Capitol address. Please contact them.
    mary.hodge.senate@state.co.us Phone: 303-866-4855
    cheri.jahn.senate@state.co.us Phone: 303-866-4856
    andy.kerr.senate@state.co.us Phone: 303-866-4859
    jeanne.nicholson.senate@state.co.us Phone: 303-866-4873
    gail.swartz.senate@state.co.us Phone: 303-866-4871
    lotochtrop@aol.com Phone: 303-866-4863
    Address: Senator ___________
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    200 E. Colfax
    Denver, CO 80203

    Thank you for your input and your support.
    Yours for HD 60,
    Representative Jim Wilson
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    Just sent a very short/brief email to each of these folks asking them kindly to PERSONALLY look into ALL of the negative measures of the four bills.

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    My first response from a democrat.

    Thank you for participating in the legislative process, I value your input.


    These bills have not yet been referred to the Senate. When they do come to the Senate, I will look at all sides before I make any decisions.


    Please feel free to contact me again with any further concerns.


    Sincerely,

    Senator Irene Aguilar, MD
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    Quote Originally Posted by tmleadr03 View Post
    Thank you for participating in the legislative process, I value your input.


    First and foremost I want to assure you that NONE of the bills will result in restriction of the constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms. These bills have not yet been referred to the Senate. When they do come to the Senate, I will look at all sides before I make any decisions.


    Please feel free to contact me again with any further concerns.


    Sincerely,

    Senator Irene Aguilar, MD
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    Sigh. She doesn't understand. Restricting mags is restricting the right to keep and bear arms.


    Still getting similar answers from her, but at least she isn't telling me to go talk to my own rep like she did someone else.


    Thank you for participating in the legislative process, I value your input.


    I am in the process of reviewing these bills and the legal opinions and research around the policies they propose. I will look at all sides before I make any decisions.


    Please feel free to contact me again with any further concerns.




    Sincerely,


    Senator Irene Aguilar
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    From Giron:

    Concerned Coloradans,

    Yesterday, I chaired the State, Veterans, and Military Affairs
    Committee that heard three pieces of gun safety legislation: HB 1226,
    HB 1228 and HB 1229.

    In anticipation of this hearing, I chose to host my first town hall of
    the session on this topic, back in January. Since then, I have hosted
    and/or been present at numerous other community events where the
    subject of gun legislation was the primary topic. Just over a week
    ago, I hosted an additional town hall dedicated to this legislation
    where over 500 gun enthusiasts from throughout the state came to
    educate me on their perspectives. I have accepted invitations to tour
    a gun show and even picked up a gun for the first time in my life to
    visit a shooting range and learn about gun sports from a women’s
    recreational shooting group. I have read thousands of emails, listened
    to hundreds of voicemail messages and sought out experts on all sides
    of the issue to better understand this legislation and its impact on
    Colorado and specifically Senate District 3.

    Prior to all of this, I knew very little about gun culture. Yes, I’ve
    had some negative exposure, mostly in the form of emails that were
    demanding, threatening, and hateful. Thankfully, I also had plenty of
    exposure to helpful folks who helped me understand that responsible
    gun owners are my neighbors and just like me in their roles as
    parents, community members, and public servants. I am very thankful to
    families I met, for whom hunting is part of their tradition and
    heritage.

    Here is how I voted on Monday:

    HB-1226 – This bill adds areas where a concealed carry permit holder
    is not authorized to possess a concealed handgun to include buildings
    used by colleges/universities, stadiums/arenas at
    colleges/universities, outdoor events sponsored by
    colleges/universities. (Existing areas include federally owned
    facilities, public elementary, middle, and high schools, public
    buildings with permanent security personnel and electronic weapons
    screening).
    I voted to move this legislation out of committee to the full Senate for a vote.

    HB-1228 – This bill would allow a fee to be charged for performing
    instant criminal background checks related to obtaining and
    transfering firearms, just like when obtaining a background check for
    a new job.
    I voted to move this legislation out of committee and on to Appropriations.

    HB-1229 – This bill expands situations in which background checks are
    required prior to the transfer of a firearm.

    Based on feedback from constituents in my district, I introduced an
    amendment (which passed) that expanded the definition of “family” in
    the exception for transfers to family members. It now includes aunts,
    uncles, first cousins, nieces and nephews. It also expanded the type
    of temporary transfers that can be conducted without a background
    check. Gun owners can now transfer their gun to anyone who remains in
    their continual presence (for purposes such as gun classes or hunting
    trips) and also may loan their gun to someone for a 72 hour period, as
    long as they are willing to take responsibility for any damages that
    may be caused during that time.
    I voted to move this bill, with the successful amendment, out of
    committee and on to Appropriations.

    I will be carefully reviewing the testimony from the Judiciary
    Committee, which heard the other four gun safety bills yesterday,
    before deciding how I will vote on them on the Senate floor.

    As your State Senator, sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United
    States, I would not support any reform that would ignore Colorado’s
    Western heritage or unreasonably impair the 2nd Amendment rights of
    our citizens. I also understand that the right to bear arms is not
    unlimited, especially when our society suffers from an epidemic of gun
    violence.

    I am way behind on contacting all of the folks who reached out to
    express views in support of or opposition to these bills. The volume
    of correspondence my office received from all over the state and all
    over the country on these issues has been overwhelming. My priority is
    always hearing from Puebloans and I am doing my best to consider all
    of your opinions before I vote. Thank you for your patience and
    understanding.

    -Angela

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    Quote Originally Posted by muddywings View Post
    From Giron:

    Concerned Coloradans,

    our society suffers from an epidemic of gun
    violence.

    Office of Angela Giron
    Though it sounds like she gave a bit of time to the other side this line is pure BS.. Our country is at a period of record low murder and violent crime levels.. I fail to see the epidemic.

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    Hodge and Aguilar have already made up their minds. Hodge is a sponsor of some of these. So those ones, they're from an old list.

    Giron might be a possibility on 1224.

    Been trying to spread the words that Tochtrop, Jahn and most recently: Nancy Todd, (senatornancytodd@gmail.com) (303-866-3342) are the ones to contact.

    Todd indicated on Monday that she is still UNDECIDED.

    Kerr and Scwartz (email above is incorrect - gail.schwartz.senate@stateo.co.us is correct) have not responded yet either so they'd be good to contact.

    Hodge is one of the sponsors, so I'm unsure of why she's even on this list.

    Tochtrop, Jahn, Todd, Kerr, Schwartz.

    Be civil. Not profane. Not insulting. Some are on the edge of voting no, we dont want to push them back by using too much bloviation and bravado.
    Last edited by aryntha; 03-05-2013 at 18:40.

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    I got that same e-mail blast. Personal my ass. Another Dem talking out of both sides of their ass. She's just trying to back-peddle for votes.

    I've sent polite and professional letters, faxes, and e-mails to them all. Both brief, and extended, filled with key bullet points, factual data, and heartfelt personal thoughts and concerns for both personal and public safety.

    All I get back is form letters and pacification.

    How anyone could put those sniveling scared little brats "feelings" before the right to self defense of those poor rape victims is reprehensible.

    Fuck em, fuck em all to hell and back.


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    I sent a very nice letter to Senator Tochtrop about how all the testimony yesterday was filled with emotion but no logic, and that the voting along party lines was saddening to see.

    10 minutes later I got this response:

    I'm opposed to the majority of these bills. I agree with your assessment of the situation.
    Lois
    I know she had already come out against some of the bills - but in my email I asked her to be the voice of reason and try to help the others in her party to understand the issues with the bills.
    What is my joy if all hands, even the unclean, can reach into it? What is my wisdom, if even the fools can dictate to me? What is my freedom, if all creatures, even the botched and impotent, are my masters? What is my life, if I am but to bow, to agree and to obey?
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