Ethanol-free gas??

[funkymonkey1111]

I've read recently the harm that higher ethanol blends are doing to engines, such that even AAA has come out against the sale of some of these blends.

My inquiry is this--is it worth trying to use ethanol free gas in your car? There's a petroleum company called Pynergy Petroleum that apparently sells it on Santa Fe--but supposedly will not let you pump it into a road vehicle. You'd have to use gas cans and fill your car from them. To those in the know, would this make a difference long term in the life of the engine?

[Goodburbon]

engine life, I'm unsure, Should increase mpg though.

[Dave]

Most modern cars that are 2000 or newer can handle the 10% blends ok since they were designed with those blends in mind. The problem lies that it seems like by the time car companies catch up and design their vehicles to handle the increased ethanol someone decides to up the percentages again. A blend of about 5% does help your engine run cleaner, helping with deposits and emissions, but over 10% begins to have adverse effects on fuel system compnents. It wears out plastic and rubber and isn't that great for some metal alloys either.

Ethanol blends are actually lower MPG. E85 blends in a car made to handle it will give about 10-12% less fuel economy than a 10% blend from the pump next to it.

[speedysst]

The salesman at Pyrenergy also explained that a lot of the blended ethanol gas is actually at a higher percentage than 10%. Something to do with the underground tanks. Im trying to use non blended gas in my motorcycle but the nearest pure gas station is 49 miles away. As far as E85, it is about 30 cents cheaper per gallon and there are companies using biomass instead of corn to make ethanol. Yet no one is pursuing butanol which has twice the energy content of ethanol and can be blended with gas at higher percentages without any conversion. Its made using the same raw materials as ethanol but uses a different process to break it down.

[electronman1729]

There is a conoco station in englewood that sells pure gas but it is 91. I think it is called Brads Conoco

[funkymonkey1111]

There is a conoco station in englewood that sells pure gas but it is 91. I think it is called Brads Conoco

is there any issue about filling a car, or do you need to put it in cans?

[electronman1729]

is there any issue about filling a car, or do you need to put it in cans?

From what i read online its a regular conoco and you can just pull up and pump it. I also believe that the airport in longmont has 100 octane gas but im not sure about getting to the truck to pump it

[Busta Prima]

I went on this same quest a year or two ago and it was nearly impossible to find. The online directory I had found was completely wrong. All I wanted to do was buy ethenol free gas for my lawn mowers and weed whackers, never mind for a car. About the only place is the airport but now you're paying $4 to $6 a gallon and the octane is WAY too high. In fact it's ALL octane, no hexane and going over the rating is just as bad as going under. People mistakenly believe (as with most things) that "more is better" and that you'll get more power but that's not true.

As for the damage of ethenol, the main issue is that it absorbs water from anywhere, including right out of the air. That helps it ruin the engine, especially the smaller ones that get little use. I'm finding this is a huge issue for boat owners (because I'll be one soon) that fill their boats with autogas and don't use it all up right away.

The whole ethenol program is a giant waste. The little bit of savings gets blown out by the cost of making it and the cleaner exhaust is offset by burning more fuel to get where you're going. Add to that the additional costs of maintenance and it REALLY sucks. This is your government at work (both sides).

[Dryfli]

I was working in Nebraska and high grade fuel (87&91) were cheaper than the basic, no gov. kick back

[00tec]

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=CO