Why are there no -1's

[sniper7]

I recently left negative feedback, which had been earned by the recipient. What did he do? He posted retaliatory negative feedback for me. Not because I failed to keep my end of a bargain, but because he didn't like the negative feedback he earned.

If someone doesn't understand honor or the meaning of a man's word, they aren't likely man enough to accept negative feedback, and will just start a pissing match in the Feedback section.

Funny I recently had the same problem, then he came in here and posted that people should get over it and not be sissies.

[kidicarus13]

I recently left negative feedback, which had been earned by the recipient. What did he do? He posted retaliatory negative feedback for me. Not because I failed to keep my end of a bargain, but because he didn't like the negative feedback he earned.

If someone doesn't understand honor or the meaning of a man's word, they aren't likely man enough to accept negative feedback, and will just start a pissing match in the Feedback section.

I read the feedback you received and that it BS. Unfortunately I don't have a solution for undeserved retaliatory feedback but maybe the mods do.

[car-15]

I recently left negative feedback, which had been earned by the recipient. What did he do? He posted retaliatory negative feedback for me. Not because I failed to keep my end of a bargain, but because he didn't like the negative feedback he earned.

If someone doesn't understand honor or the meaning of a man's word, they aren't likely man enough to accept negative feedback, and will just start a pissing match in the Feedback section.

I had the same thing happen another forum, the guy canceled a deal after he got a higher offer through a pm, I called him out in gd after he left a -1 because I did, the mods and community got involved and he was made to be a douche nozzle had to apologize to keep membership and I still got the item for the agreed price after the other guy told him to F off for being deceitful.

[Troublco]

I've never bothered much with feedback; just didn't think too much of it. I've dealt with various folks on here, and never had an issue. The feedback part just hasn't really occurred to me, I think because in the past I've had no problem dealing with the folks on here. Now, with all the new folks? Not sure.

I should have a -1 for backing out of a deal; when my dad passed on Easter 2010 I was in the middle of a deal for a scope. I had to ask the seller to let me out of the deal, as I had to pay for the funeral out of pocket and it took everything I had. Bottom line, I'd told him I'd take it and I didn't.

[theGinsue]

I read the feedback you received and that it BS. Unfortunately I don't have a solution for undeserved retaliatory feedback but maybe the mods do.

We don't.

The staff is often accused of insisting everyone "play nice" in the Feedback forum, yet we don't. Maybe we used to, but as long as it doesn't get into a pissing match, we let it go.

What we (the staff) do, is insist everyone keep to the facts, not opinions or name-calling. We'll also remove comments from folks feeding the frenzy and not relating their own direct feedback. Those posts aren't the point of the feedback forum.

Make 1 feedback post per deal; anything more is just bitterness, not feedback. If you need to edit that single post to add additional information, do so (use the Edit To Add ["ETA"] notation), but no back-and-forth bickering. Of course, it's only fair that the subject of the feedback be allowed post a factual, not emotional, rebuttal.

As a reminder, until the deal is completed, both the buyer and the seller have the right to back out. The important thing here is to maintain good & timely communication. Unless you've been in a major accident, poor communication is never justifiable and is certainly a foul.

If I call you 5 minutes before a scheduled meet to tell you I'll be late, we can either reschedule or cancel the deal with no foul on either party - things come up.

If I call 5 minutes before a deal and tell you I'm not coming, that's my foul and I deserve negative feedback. But if I call you hours before the scheduled meet to cancel, let it go & move on. If I cancelled the deal because I sold the item out from under you after agreeing to sell/trade the item to you, that's a major foul on my part. Just because a guy on Armslist is offering me $100 more for my item than you are isn't appropriate to break my word. If you think a better deal might come along from someplace else, don't agree to the deal here. If you post something here for a certain price and someone PM's you a better offer after someone else has agreed to your posted terms, you'd be an ass to take the second deal; be a man/woman of your word. Remember, we're NOT an auction site. By the same token, just because you posted an "I'll take it" minutes after the item was posted, don't get all butt hurt over the seller dealing with someone else - you never had a deal & haven't lost a thing beyond the couple of seconds of effort to make your post.

If I show up for a deal and after looking/handling the item I decide it's not what I expected, no foul to back out ("upon inspection" should be considered the default caveat of every deal, including the firm "I'll take it" ones). If it's not what I expected because it was clearly misidentified, that's a foul on the sellers side and the seller needs to update their information for the item or expect that the previous potential buyer will do it for you.

If I show up for a deal and the seller decides that I'm not what he was expecting (he/she doesn't feel comfortable dealing with me), they maintain the right to not deal with me without having to worry about negative feedback. Of course, if I traveled a distance to get there, a decent seller might offer me some compensation for my fuel costs.

If I get an item from a deal and within a couple of weeks (that's a fair period for a detailed examination or opportunity to try out the item - some problems aren't obvious until the item can be used or fully function tested) find that there is something wrong with it, I need to contact the seller via PM and identify the deficiency and give them ample opportunity to make it right before posting negative feedback.

If you agree to purchase something before ensuring you can afford it, that's your foul. Sure, the time it takes you to verify you've got the funds could cause someone else to get the deal, but that's life. Of course, there may be times that you have the funds and something legitimately comes up after agreeing to the deal (funeral, accident, furnace/water heater died, car died, basement just flooded, etc). The seller needs to understand that unexpected events occur in life and they just need to move on to another buyer. However, making up an excuse like that which would be difficult to verify, just to get out of a deal, shows poor integrity and character. No matter how many "I'll take it"'s an item gets, the seller has the right to withdraw the item at any time before agreeing to a deal. But, if the seller reposts it 2 weeks later - foul!

This should cover many, but probably not all, of the circumstances in deals to consider before making feedback. The site rules cover the basics, but in the end it's the faith and trust within our community which is either strengthened or broken when do deal with other members.

[kwando]

Bumping this thread for the new people.

[Sharpienads]

I drove about 30 minutes to sell a guy some ammo. Everything was going well until I was pulling up to the meet and realized I forgot to bring the ammo!!! Doh! Luckily, he was meeting somebody else at the same time, so it wasn't a complete waste of time for him. And he was understanding of my brain fart.

Other than that, I have had nothing but smooth deals. I've never had a reason to leave negative feedback.

[Great-Kazoo]

I drove about 30 minutes to sell a guy some ammo. Everything was going well until I was pulling up to the meet and realized I forgot to bring the ammo!!! Doh! Luckily, he was meeting somebody else at the same time, so it wasn't a complete waste of time for him. And he was understanding of my brain fart.

Other than that, I have had nothing but smooth deals. I've never had a reason to leave negative feedback.

Nor do most of us.The 2 deals that never transpired, i had no issue leaving -1 for them, with info to support my -1.
IF you have the intention / desire to complain BUT don't want to say who it was, shut up and move on. You have a legit issue WITH DOCUMENTATION [ PM'S & E-M'S] STEP UP inform the board members who, what, when, where & why and let us decide for our self if there's merit. IF NOT STOP STARTING THREADS ABOUT "SOMEONE" WHO you felt "done you wrong" .

[theGinsue]

I suspect there will be more "-1"'s as folks who've made an offer wake up to the fact that so many here are looking to get every thin dime they can while the prices are still hot. Folks like me prefer to bide my time and wait for the prices to come down to a realistic level.

[Clint45]

I suspect there will be more "-1"'s as folks who've made an offer wake up to the fact that so many here are looking to get every thin dime they can while the prices are still hot. Folks like me prefer to bide my time and wait for the prices to come down to a realistic level.

Personally, I'd rather lose a few bucks on a deal than have someone feel as if they were overcharged or the item misrepresented in some way. I only sell guns to buy other guns or pay a bill, just like most of the other guys on this forum. It's a hobby rather than a business. On armslist I see guys flipping guns for profit or charging top dollar and encouraging bidding rather than posting a set price or sticking to a deal. There are a few regulars there that I refuse to deal with. I remember seeing a revolver I wanted last year, and I contacted the seller (a regular) saying that I would take it and I'd been looking for that very model for years . . . whereupon he took down the ad and cut off communication . . . a week later he reposted the same gun with a 30% price increase.