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    Quote Originally Posted by jim View Post
    Actually China will get us first, due to the lack of anyone being outraged by the oops we've had the past decade. From dog food to childrens toys. Nary a blip on the radar. When it is reported, for some reason the media HYPE never arrives and stories fall by the wayside.
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    Maybe it's because people are secretly hoping for another shipload of toys you can melt down into MDMA....
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    I believe in all of them. I even make some up when I get bored.

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    Also... since the topic's already been broached, I believe 9-11 was allowed to happen, if not orchestrated fully (don't think we'll ever know for sure there, but it really doesn't matter - the end result was the same.)

    I do actually have some data-backed lectures (published physicists, engineers etc - not infowars "correspondents" :-) ) that I could link to which have tipped me from being suspicious into fully convinced. But I'll save that for when this all turns into a debate/flame war. My suspicions were aroused by the following things:

    #1: The war in Iraq was astronomically profitable for the defense and oil industries on several different levels. I'm always a firm believer that you can always follow the money trail to the truth of any political situation labeled as a matter of "right vs wrong". Afghanistan was a public relations/"justice" operation - not as profitable, and obviously not nearly as much of a priority for the oligarchy that was the Bush administration. (Yeah, I wasn't a fan of Bush either. But I'll take ten of him over anybody remotely related to O-hole any day. Hell, I voted for Bush both times. Still think his cabinet was evil, but it was better than the prospect of what we have now.)

    #2: The Patriot Act wouldn't have passed otherwise. (And yes, it's still in force and being operated on - regardless of what Dear Leader's media would have you believe.) Nuff said.

    #3: Pearl Harbour, Gulf Of Tonkin, the so-called "War on Drugs" (that's a whole 'nuther topic right there). Established SOP.

    #4: Building 7. Nuff said.

    #5: I would have dismissed the reports of secondary/tertiary explosions as just part of the chaos, except after the first week you NEVER hear about it again in the State-run Media.

    After researching the previously mentioned things, then I started getting into the scientific improbability of the whole thing. And the inconsistencies in the way the gov't responded as this was all happening. And the way they cleaned it up. etc, etc, etc,. In a chaotic event like that, there are always going to be little inconsistencies and odd flukes, sure. But when you begin adding up the monumental amount of them surrounding 9-11, and realize that each and every one of them point to a larger agenda of expanded gov't control and making people rich... You'd have to work pretty hard on ignoring the fact that the whole thing stinks.

    That said... I'm not one of those flag-burners who think America's the Great Satan, while enjoying all of it's benefits. I'd still rather live here than anywhere else in the world. I don't believe that the ugly acts we've committed over the ages are any different than any other country. I believe in the principles we were founded on, and the people who died for them. And I thank God for our military standing in the gap for us today.

    I don't think that a country can be judged as a whole just by the acts of whoever happened to be in power at the time of an atrocity. I just think we've fallen prey to bad social movements with a lot of momentum, and bad leaders accompanying them. The police-state agenda is still grinding inexorably toward it's conclusion - it's the nature of government to expand itself and oppress, because it's comprised of humans and human nature is flawed. FDR was the carcinogen, the 60's the metastasis, and now we're left with a bloated, rotting, poorly defined tumor trying to wrap itself around the people's jugular for the final kill. (BTW - as a medical professional, I find it interesting that government fits EVERY single characteristic of a cancer mass.)
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    To the point of the 9/11 issue. I also think that 9/11 was put in play to further an agenda, but that UBL changed the game plan up a bit and what was supposed to a peewee swing was replaced with a roided up McGwire at the plate.

    I have always thought everything was too convenient, but I was also pretty sure that what happened wasn't in anyone's playbook but UBL's.
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    I believe Denver International Airport has a doomsday bunker built below it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhirsh5280 View Post
    I believe Denver International Airport has a doomsday bunker built below it.
    Yup, some really scary looking fol on those trains!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by foxtrot View Post
    The herald of the apocalypse whispered to me that DIA is a penis conspiracy. He might be right.

    That would be Harold of the Apocalypse...and his brother George.
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    I believe in agendas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
    I think you are being a jerk. No conspiracy there, you just don't know how to treat someone who does not think in lockstep to you. Kinda sad how some gun owners are more than willing to eat their own.
    You are calling me a Jerk!! Who voted for Obama? YOU!! Who's the Jerk now?
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