Holding a firearm during BG Check.

[cysoto]

This may very well just fine with the CBI but I believe the Feds require the firearm to be entered in the received column of their BOOK prior to making the phone or computer check and if the transfer is rejected by CBI, the firearm would be returned to the seller only AFTER he completes a 4473 and his back ground check is completed.

You bring up a good point but I believe that the FFL licensee has until the end of the day to input the firearm into his Bound Book which would mean that you don't necessarily have to "accept" the firearm into your inventory prior to running the CBI check.

[newracer]

I have a really easy solution, do not comply.

[Kraven251]

I have a really easy solution, do not comply.

^^This

[BlasterBob]

You bring up a good point but I believe that the FFL licensee has until the end of the day to input the firearm into his Bound Book which would mean that you don't necessarily have to "accept" the firearm into your inventory prior to running the CBI check.

cysoto, now YOU bring up an excellent point. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what "they" want YOU guys to do if their proposed new laws which I feel are - - actually materialize.

[cysoto]

...their proposed new laws which I feel are - ....

I agree 100% that ALL of the laws that have been recently introduced (as well as a few others which are already in place) are absolute BS.

I have a really easy solution, do not comply.

Though, as I said above, I wholeheartedly agree that these laws are BS, I would never propose (especially in an open forum) that we break the law by not complying with it.

[10mm-man]

I agree 100% that ALL of the laws that have been recently introduced (as well as a few others which are already in place) are absolute BS.


Though, as I said above, I wholeheartedly agree that these laws are BS, I would never propose (especially in an open forum) that we break the law by not complying with it.

I would I say non compliance is a really good thing especially if it is unconstitutional........... O and once more- you don't need the gun in hand to perform a BGC, just the make, model serial number on the 4473. Read prior post....... Have yet to see anything from ATF or CBI to the contrary.

[cysoto]

I would I say non compliance is a really good thing especially if it is unconstitutional...........

The constitutionality of such law is yet to be determined but I do agree that this will be an aggressive point of contention by both parts.

O and once more- you don't need the gun in hand to perform a BGC, just the make, model serial number on the 4473. Read prior post....... Have yet to see anything from ATF or CBI to the contrary.

Though I don't have a quote on any specific statute (either State nor Federal) that mandates that a firearm be present at the time of filling out the 4473; what I can say for sure is that PERSONALLY I will not start the process until I have had a chance to verify the make, model and serial number with my own eyes. Having to make changes on the 4473 and then initial them opens the door to the BATF Inspector to start asking questions (i.e. brings up a red flag).

[SA Friday]

I would I say non compliance is a really good thing especially if it is unconstitutional........... O and once more- you don't need the gun in hand to perform a BGC, just the make, model serial number on the 4473. Read prior post....... Have yet to see anything from ATF or CBI to the contrary.

I'm not yet very experienced in selling firearms, but from what little I've done so far, I wouldn't transfer without physically seeing the firearm. I look at the SN and F it up, it's my bad. Some guy comes in with a piece of paper and it's wrong, then it's not my error but I'm still the one getting bent over for it.

[10mm-man]

I'm not yet very experienced in selling firearms, but from what little I've done so far, I wouldn't transfer without physically seeing the firearm. I look at the SN and F it up, it's my bad. Some guy comes in with a piece of paper and it's wrong, then it's not my error but I'm still the one getting bent over for it.

You can't transfer without the gun being in hand. Running a BGC without having to take possession is what I am talking about. Once BGC clears, then call in the two people and transfer the gun, is what I am speculating. Doing so would reduce the risk of loss for both parties as this was the original concern of the OP.

[10mm-man]

Though I don't have a quote on any specific statute (either State nor Federal) that mandates that a firearm be present at the time of filling out the 4473; what I can say for sure is that PERSONALLY I will not start the process until I have had a chance to verify the make, model and serial number with my own eyes. Having to make changes on the 4473 and then initial them opens the door to the BATF Inspector to start asking questions (i.e. brings up a red flag).

^^ Yes, agreed. However, in the the OP, the concern was; how does a transfer take place to avoid loss to all involved. I said; no need for the FFL to even take possession until the BGC clears. so in this case; buyer/seller meet at FFL office. seller brings gun, FFL verifies Make, Model, SN, buyer fills out 4473 and FFL submits. Buyer/ Seller go home until it clears, (seller keeps gun with him), BGC clears, they come back, FFL logs it as R&D, collects the $$$. Everyone goes bye bye. No need for the FFL to log it until the transfer is ready to go.....