Close
Page 146 of 204 FirstFirst ... 4696136141142143144145146147148149150151156196 ... LastLast
Results 1,451 to 1,460 of 2036
  1. #1451
    CO-AR's Secret Jedi roberth's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Elk City, Oklahoma
    Posts
    10,501

    Default

    Do you still think your 401K or whatever is safe from the depredations of the federal, state, and local governments? Think again and plan accordingly. A good bit of reading if you're up for it, Bastion of Liberty has a nice summary.

    http://www.sharedprosperity.org/bp204/bp204.pdf

    Teresa Ghilarducci has spoken before various federal and state legislatures, she believes in equality of outcome and you'll see that in anything you read that was written by her. This is the kind of poppycock she spouts:

    Is the system fair? A retirement system should not exacerbate income and wealth inequality.
    Tax breaks for 401(k)s and other voluntary retirement accounts are skewed to the wealthy because it is easier for them to save, and because they receive bigger tax breaks when they do so.
    There it is, fairness, as in you have more than I do and that's not fair. The next action is that I'm going to use the force of government to take from you and give to me to make things more fair for me. Nevermind that you worked hard your whole life and I lived a life of sloth and envy, I am entitled to whatever you have.

    http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com...ng-mounds.html

    But then, your investment advisor is a private party, probably the employee of a company that specializes in that sort of work. A private company or self-employed financial advisor must perform or go under. One that underperforms for two or three quarters is likely to get a serious talking-to by his management. One that underperforms for two or three years is likely to take up residence in a cardboard box. And by “underperform,” I don’t mean “lose money;” I mean “doesn’t keep up with market averages,” at the very least. The ones that advise so poorly that they actually lose their clients’ money are in much worse trouble than that. Now imagine that instead of that private advisor and his supervisors if he has any, your retirement savings were managed by a state government...or perhaps by the federal government itself.

    Changes the whole picture, doesn’t it?
    Emphasis mine. What is your recourse if the feds lose all your retirement in some "investment" in say solar power. Who are you going to sue for damages? The government? Don't be ridiculous, that would be the same as suing yourself. Your money is gone, you have no recourse except to find a job to work until you die in poverty.


    The Department of Labor says its so-called fiduciary rule will make financial advisers act in the best interests of clients. What Labor doesn’t say is that the rule carries such enormous potential legal liability and demands such a high standard of care that many advisers will shun non-affluent accounts. Middle-income investors may be forced to look elsewhere for financial advice even as Team Obama is enabling a raft of new government-run competitors for retirement savings. This is no coincidence. Labor’s new rule will start biting in January as the President is leaving office. Under the rule, financial firms advising workers moving money out of company 401(k) plans into Individual Retirement Accounts will have to follow the new higher standards. But Labor has already proposed waivers from the federal Erisa law so new state-run retirement plans don’t have the same regulatory burden as private employers do.
    http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com...tarianism.html

    Whenever some noisy interest group starts prattling about “equality” or “rights,” a smart man puts one hand on his wallet and the other on his sidearm.

  2. #1452
    QUITTER Irving's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Denver, CO
    Posts
    46,527
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    I'll have to read this whole thing when I get home, but I don't find it as discouraging as you do. I definitely DON'T want the government involved in my investing though.
    "There are no finger prints under water."

  3. #1453
    CO-AR's Secret Jedi roberth's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Elk City, Oklahoma
    Posts
    10,501

    Default

    I am making the assumption that the government will spend the money I have earned for my retirement and when I am qualified to collect it nothing will be there. I suppose the government could do what it is doing now and borrow to cover its obligation to me, like it does with SS now. I think it would be wise to presume that 15-20 years down the road no financial entity will be willing to loan money to the US government, but then again we're talking about FedRes who at the behest of FedGov can create money out of thin air, devalued money but money nonetheless.

  4. #1454
    QUITTER Irving's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Denver, CO
    Posts
    46,527
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Are you referring to social security, or things like 401ks in the stock market? I wouldn't worry as much about stuff in the stock market because that is not government money. Well, I suppose there are bonds. HoneyBadger has a better handle on what government money is floating around in investment portfolios.
    "There are no finger prints under water."

  5. #1455
    Gives a sh!t; pretends he doesn't HoneyBadger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    C-Springs again! :)
    Posts
    14,824
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    Are you referring to social security, or things like 401ks in the stock market? I wouldn't worry as much about stuff in the stock market because that is not government money. Well, I suppose there are bonds. HoneyBadger has a better handle on what government money is floating around in investment portfolios.
    I do?
    My Feedback

    "When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law." -Frederic Bastiat

    "I am a conservative. Quite possibly I am on the losing side; often I think so. Yet, out of a curious perversity I had rather lose with Socrates, let us say, than win with Lenin."
    ― Russell Kirk, Author of The Conservative Mind

  6. #1456
    QUITTER Irving's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Denver, CO
    Posts
    46,527
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    I'm up to very nearly $100 invested in the stock market! I got my first two dividend distributions today of $.01 each!
    "There are no finger prints under water."

  7. #1457
    Mr Yamaha brutal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Unincorporated Douglas County, CO
    Posts
    13,962

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    I'm up to very nearly $100 invested in the stock market! I got my first two dividend distributions today of $.01 each!
    I don't want to jinx it, but my meager investment in Lending Club is so far showing good returns.

    If I pulled every penny out of my 401K and ESOP, LC would considerably outperform them.
    My Feedback
    Credit TFOGGER : Liberals only want things to be "fair and just" if it benefits them.
    Credit Zundfolge: The left only supports two "rights"; Buggery and Infanticide.
    Credit roberth: List of things Government does best; 1. Steal your money 2. Steal your time 3. Waste the money they stole from you. 4. Waste your time making you ask permission for things you have a natural right to own. "Anyone that thinks the communists won't turn off your power for being on COAR15 is a fucking moron."

  8. #1458
    QUITTER Irving's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Denver, CO
    Posts
    46,527
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by brutal View Post
    I don't want to jinx it, but my meager investment in Lending Club is so far showing good returns.

    If I pulled every penny out of my 401K and ESOP, LC would considerably outperform them.

    For your reading pleasure, in chronological order.
    http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/...ub-experiment/
    http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/...-months-later/
    http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/...nd-your-taxes/
    http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/...grows-crowded/
    "There are no finger prints under water."

  9. #1459
    The "Godfather" of COAR Great-Kazoo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    Washboard Alley, AZ.
    Posts
    48,102

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    I'll have to read this whole thing when I get home, but I don't find it as discouraging as you do. I definitely DON'T want the government involved in my investing though.

    They already are.
    The Great Kazoo's Feedback

    "when you're happy you enjoy the melody but, when you're broken you understand the lyrics".

  10. #1460
    CO-AR's Secret Jedi roberth's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Elk City, Oklahoma
    Posts
    10,501

    Default

    I've been thinking about this stuff all weekend.

    I think one of the biggest problems the government faces is maintaining the profit motive and work ethic of the producers while taxing the ever-loving shit out of them at the same time. They really have to walk a fine line here b/c once the profit motive is gone nothing new will be created and any work that needs to be done will have to done under force. Outside of human charity humans simply do not volunteer to work for free for someone else's benefit. I'll certainly spend time, money, and effort to benefit someone I know and trust that needs a little help, what I won't do is work my current hi-tech job for free or at a greatly reduced salary.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •