Are Universal Background Checks feasible without registration?

[OneGuy67]

Thanks for the clarification.. so it's to the FIRST ffl transaction, then it's leg work from there.

The manufacturers keep pretty good records of where their products go, so the first step is with them to determine who they sold it to. That is going to be either a FFL holder or to a individual person. From there, it is legwork on the part of an investigator to physically track down the seller/buyer if they can do so.

The firearm can pop up on the proverbial radar again if it goes through a FFL's hands at a later time and that FFL's books are turned in to the ATF at the end of their license. From there, it is again legwork to track down the buyer and follow the buyer/seller string.

In the end, without some sort of registration, it isn't going to be realistic to track all firearms that buy/sell/trade on a daily basis. I'm never going to say never, as this administration scares me, but the chances of registration are pretty dang slim.

[TFOGGER]

Utterly unenforceable. With the current BGC system, the data is supposedly deleted 24 hours after the check is approved, and it is not tied to a serial number. The proposed law doesn't address how LEOs are to determine if a firearm in your possession had a BGC done at the time of sale, how to determine if you possessed it prior to the law going into effect, or if you are in possession of a firearm that was transferred after the law went into effect. According to the bill's sponsor, it would be UP TO LAW ENFORCEMENT to make this determination, then you get your day in court, obviously after having your firearm impounded, and at great expense. This assumption of guilt may be our best point of attack WHEN we challenge the legality of this law, as well as the magazine ban, assuming we can't kill them in the Senate.

[newracer]

There is no way it can be enforced it it's current form.

The only thing that could happen is LEOs can setup stings to try and catch people breaking the law.

[cysoto]

The only thing that could happen is LEOs can setup stings to try and catch people breaking the law.

Yeap, I certainly can see that happening!!

[muddywings]

There is no way it can be enforced it it's current form.

The only thing that could happen is LEOs can setup stings to try and catch people breaking the law.

mods will have to watch the For Sale Section like a hawk AND do thorough background checks on all new members!

[hollohas]

There is no way it can be enforced it it's current form.

The only thing that could happen is LEOs can setup stings to try and catch people breaking the law.

^This is what I see happening.

[merl]

^This is what I see happening.

only in a few widely publicized cases. the penalty is just too small to be worth doing often.

[hatidua]

I have a really difficult time thinking that fathers (or mothers) in the future, are going to make their children go down and fill out a 4473 for a gun that's been in the family for the past few generations. Politicians can dream but it's simply not going to universally happen.

[cysoto]

I have a really difficult time thinking that fathers (or mothers) in the future, are going to make their children go down and fill out a 4473 for a gun that's been in the family for the past few generations.

It is my understanding that, as currently written, this law would allow firearms to be gifted to immediate family members; which it then goes on to describe as parents, grandparents and siblings.

[hollohas]

only in a few widely publicized cases. the penalty is just too small to be worth doing often.

Prostitution stings are relatively frequent with a minor punishment. And they hate guns (and scary assault mags) far more than they hate Johns.