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    Quote Originally Posted by SA Friday View Post
    Yep. Meant AUSA and typed DA... Getting old sucks.

    I've discussed this same problem with straw purchases and trying to get them prosecuted in other threads. Ultimately, gun control isn't the current problem. We have more than enough laws on the books, hell, too many. The problem is these are just not prosecuted due to a serious lack of Federal court system. Unintended consequence is it looks to the liberals like we need more laws. They just haven't learned it will make no difference.
    An easy way to make the law more applicable and enforceable would be to have a state level form that mirrors the federal 4473. I wish I could say replace the federal form, but that isn't going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneGuy67 View Post
    An easy way to make the law more applicable and enforceable would be to have a state level form that mirrors the federal 4473. I wish I could say replace the federal form, but that isn't going to happen.
    Dear Baby Jesus in heaven, don't give them any ideas. Went through that shit in MD. It took over an hour to fill all the forms out.
    Mom's comin' 'round to put it back the way it ought to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneGuy67 View Post
    Usually, the ATF is only able to trace from the manufacturer to the first FFL transaction. On occasion, there is a chance for a secondary FFL transaction if the firearm goes back into a FFL's bound book as a trade in, FFL purchase, etc.

    All the traces I've had done haven't been that spectacular in terms of information, unless the firearm was a recent purchase.

    Thanks for the clarification.. so it's to the FIRST ffl transaction, then it's leg work from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newracer View Post
    There is no way it can be enforced it it's current form.

    The only thing that could happen is LEOs can setup stings to try and catch people breaking the law.
    mods will have to watch the For Sale Section like a hawk AND do thorough background checks on all new members!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey View Post
    Thanks for the clarification.. so it's to the FIRST ffl transaction, then it's leg work from there.
    The manufacturers keep pretty good records of where their products go, so the first step is with them to determine who they sold it to. That is going to be either a FFL holder or to a individual person. From there, it is legwork on the part of an investigator to physically track down the seller/buyer if they can do so.

    The firearm can pop up on the proverbial radar again if it goes through a FFL's hands at a later time and that FFL's books are turned in to the ATF at the end of their license. From there, it is again legwork to track down the buyer and follow the buyer/seller string.

    In the end, without some sort of registration, it isn't going to be realistic to track all firearms that buy/sell/trade on a daily basis. I'm never going to say never, as this administration scares me, but the chances of registration are pretty dang slim.
    “Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson

    A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'

    That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newracer View Post
    There is no way it can be enforced it it's current form.

    The only thing that could happen is LEOs can setup stings to try and catch people breaking the law.
    ^This is what I see happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollohas View Post
    ^This is what I see happening.
    only in a few widely publicized cases. the penalty is just too small to be worth doing often.

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    I have a really difficult time thinking that fathers (or mothers) in the future, are going to make their children go down and fill out a 4473 for a gun that's been in the family for the past few generations. Politicians can dream but it's simply not going to universally happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatidua View Post
    I have a really difficult time thinking that fathers (or mothers) in the future, are going to make their children go down and fill out a 4473 for a gun that's been in the family for the past few generations.
    It is my understanding that, as currently written, this law would allow firearms to be gifted to immediate family members; which it then goes on to describe as parents, grandparents and siblings.

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    Its completely unenforceable. Not to mention it is actually denying a right for alot of people in our state. Not everybody lives in Denver or Csprings and has access to FFL's easily. Some people will need to drive a very long time before they can get to an FFL.

    Enough of my off topic rambling. Its unenforceable and I believe that is actually their goal. To put out an unenforceable law. That way they can show its failing and then the only solution is to create registration. Its a simple stepping stone tactic.

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