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    Default Never Trust Anyone Who Hasn’t Been Punched in the Face

    The bittersweet truth about our modern, hyper-connected, info at the fingertips, Internet Era is that for practically any thought I have, I can find someone else who has already expressed it better than I planned to.

    I looked back and couldn't find that this had been previously shared here.






    Conservatives like to talk about the causes of Western Civilization’s downfall: feminism, loose morality, drug abuse, Christianity’s decline, reality TV. Blaming civilization’s downfall on lardy hagfish such as Andrea Dworkin is like a doctor diagnosing senility by an old person’s wrinkles. The fact that anyone listened to such a numskull is a symptom, not the cause, of a culture in decline. The cause of civilizational decline is dirt-simple: lack of contact with objective reality. The great banker-journalist (and founder of the originalNational Review) Walter Bagehot said it well almost 150 years ago:

    History is strewn with the wrecks of nations which have gained a little progressiveness at the cost of a great deal of hard manliness, and have thus prepared themselves for destruction as soon as the movements of the world gave a chance for it.

    Every great civilization reaches a point of prosperity where it is possible to live your entire life as a pacifist without any serious consequences. Many civilizations have come to the state of devolution represented by modern Berkeley folkways, from wife-swapping to vegetarianism. These ideas don’t come from a hardscrabble existence in contact with nature’s elemental forces; they are the inevitable consequence of being an effete urban twit removed from meaningful contact with reality. The over-civilized will try to portray their decadence as something “highly evolved” and worthy of emulation because it can only exist in the hothouse of highly civilized urban centers, much like influenza epidemics. Somehow these twittering blockheads missed out on what the word “evolution” means. Evolution involves brutal and often violent natural selection, and these people have not been exposed to brutal evolutionary forces any more than a typical urban poodle.

    Through human history, vigorous civilizations had various ways of dealing with the unfortunate human tendency toward being a weak ninny. The South Koreans (for my money, the hardest men in Asia today) have brutally tough military training as a rite of passage. I’ve been told that the Soviet system had students picking potatoes during national holidays. The ancient Greeks used competitive sports and constant warfare. The Anglo-American working classes, the last large virtuous group of people left in these countries, use bullying, violent sports, fisticuffs, and hard living.

    I think there is a certain worldview that comes from violent experience. It’s something like…manhood. You don’t have to be the world’s greatest badass to be a man, but you have to be willing to throw down when the time is right.

    A man who has been in a fight or played violent sports has experienced more of life and manhood than a man who hasn’t. Fisticuffs, wrestling matches, knife fights, violent sport, duels with baseball bats, facing down guns, or getting crushed in the football field—men who have had these experiences are different from men who have not. Men who have trained for or experienced such encounters know about bravery and mental fortitude from firsthand experience. Men who have been tested physically know that inequality is a physical fact. Men who know how to deal out violence know that radical feminism’s tenets—that women and men are equal—are a lie. We know that women are not the same as men: not physically, mentally, or in terms of moral character.

    Men who have fought know how difficult it is to stand against the crowd and that civilization is fragile and important. A man who has experienced violence knows that, at its core, civilization is an agreement between men to behave well. That agreement can be broken at any moment; it’s part of manhood to be ready when it is. Men who have been in fights know about something that is rarely spoken of without snickering these days: honor. Men who have been in fights know that, on some level, words are just words: At some point, words must be backed up by deeds.

    Above all, men who have been in fights know that there is nothing good or noble about being a victim. This is a concept the modern “conservative movement,” mostly run by wimps, has lost, probably irrevocably. They’re forever tugging at my heartstrings, from No Child Left Behind to Israel’s plight to MLK’s wonders to whining that the media doesn’t play fair to the overwrought emotional appeals they use to justify dropping bombs on Muslims. The Republicans are even taking seriously a pure victim-candidate: Michelle Bachman. As far as can be told, she’s a middle-American Barack Obama with boobs and a slightly loopier world view.

    Modern “civilized” males don’t get in fistfights. They don’t play violent sports. They play video games and, at best, watch TV sports. Modern males are physical and emotional weaklings. The ideal male isn’t John Wayne or James Bond or Jimmy Stewart anymore. It’s some crying tit that goes to a therapist, a sort of agreeable lesbian with a dick who calls the police (whom he hates in theory) when there is trouble. The ideal modern male is the British shrimp who handed his pants over to the looter in south London.

    How did we get here? Estrogens in the food supply? Cultural Marxism’s corrosive influence? Small families? Some of the greatest badasses I’ve known had many brothers to fight with growing up. When good men who will fight are all extinct, there is no more civilization. No lantern-jawed viragos are going to save you from the barbarian hordes. No mincing nancy boys with Harvard diplomas will stand up for the common decencies: They’re a social construct, dontcha know. The conservative movement won’t save you: They’re chicken-hearted careerists petrified of offending a victim group.

    Teddy Roosevelt, my ideal President, kept a lion and a bear as pets in the White House and took his daily exercise doing jiu-jitsu and boxing. He even lost vision in an eye in a friendly boxing match while he was president. Our last three glorious leaders are men who kept fluffy dogs and went jogging. I don’t trust squirrelly girly-men in any context. When confronted with difficult decisions, they don’t do what’s right or tell the truth—they’ll do what’s easy or politically expedient. Unlike the last three, Teddy Roosevelt never sent men to die in pointless wars, though he was more than happy to go himself or risk his neck wrestling with bears.

    I’m no great shakes: I’m a shrimpy egghead in a suit who thinks about math all day. I don’t train for fighting anymore, and my experiences with violence are fairly limited. Nonetheless, I judge people on these sorts of things. When I first meet a man, I don’t care what kind of sheepskins or awards he has on his walls. I don’t care if he is liberal or conservative. I want to know if they have my back in a fight. That’s really the only thing that matters.
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    I haven't read this particular essay, but ones similar. All make very good points and all are worthwhile reads.
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    Can you post the source or a link to this?

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    Well that compliments me personally (college football), but I have met people who haven't been "punched in the face" so to speak and who would back me up no matter what. Interesting read none the less, but if I ever have a boy, I will not force football upon him. I can already see the effects of banging my head for 10 years and know I am screwed mentally and physically when I get older.

    I can understand where this is going because everyday I have a physical practice or a hard workout I want to quit. I never have the past 10 years, but these days of physical hardships have made me a better person and have made me truly value hard work and the positives it brings. Men who haven't physically worked and been knocked on their ass everyday wouldn't value hardwork as I personally see it.

    Regardless interesting perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10mm-man View Post
    Can you post the source or a link to this?

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    The title is a link, and the word "this" is a link, but wasn't showing up very overtly. If needed, here is the raw url: http://takimag.com/article/never_tru...the_face/print
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    I've never literally been punched in the face. Metaphorically I've had my shit kicked in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpienads View Post
    I've never literally been punched in the face. Metaphorically I've had my shit kicked in.
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    While I understand the sentiment behind this post, it's just another "wimmin need to be kept in the kitchin, get me a SAMMICH!" platitude. That's BS.

    Our society has swung too far into the "think of the children (and every other group that can be a ready vitim for my agenda!)" and it's starting to cannibalize the foundations of our country. But when an article above paints women with the same brush as Andrea Dworkin, sprinkled with a light dose of misogyny and suggests that "estrogen" in the water is the cause of the decay of our society's moral fiber, I'd like to shovel a nice deep layer of this crap onto my garden's foundations. Men and women have differences, yup. Women aren't born with a "LIBERAL" stamp on their forehead. I served my country, dammit. I like to shoot guns, I like movies with explosions and heroes, I eat meat, I protect and care for my family and my neighbors, John Wayne and Ronald Reagan's photos grace our walls and I'll be DAMNED if some self-professed shrimpy egghead that thinks about math all day tries to put me back into a corner because his panties are in a bunch about something and he needs someone to blame. I remember back in the 70s, my mom had to have my dad's permission to withdraw a specific amount of money from their joint checking account! What, freedom is only good for men, and not women?

    There is no way in HELL that going back to those "good old manly-man" days are going to make things better. Nor are they going to happen, because I will kick the ass of any Y chromosome-carrying person that would try to take my freedoms away, either physically or by bull$hit justifications like the above article. Where is the difference in theory between "all semi-automatic guns are bad" and "today's men are acting like women. And that's bad!" attitude? I say we join forces, find a way where our differences are considered strengths and take our freedoms back from those that would de-fang us. We're in this together, whether egghead likes it or not.

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    You can trust me the. Like a lot a lot.

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    I've been hit in the face so many times... you would think I would have learned by now to stop getting hit in the face LOL

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