All 7 gun bills - updated w/amendments to study

[losttrail]

SB 195 I really have no problem with. Getting a CCW via internet "training" is idiotic. I think a CCW class should mandate range time and classroom time with 'hands on' training.

All the rest need to go to "File 13" as it is clear that NONE of these bills has anything to do with reducing crime or saving lives. These are merely the first steps towards all out registration and confiscation.

[Watermagnet]

SB 195 I really have no problem with. Getting a CCW via internet "training" is idiotic. I think a CCW class should mandate range time and classroom time with 'hands on' training.

All the rest need to go to "File 13" as it is clear that NONE of these bills has anything to do with reducing crime or saving lives. These are merely the first steps towards all out registration and confiscation.

F that...Having to get a "permit" to exercise a right is idiotic. There is already too much red tape and costs associated with concealed carry, you're furthering their agenda by supporting the bill. Also, how is your county requiring an application, back ground check, fingerprints, mug shot and approval for a concealed carry permit not another step towards registration that you disagree with on the other bills?

[Clint45]

F that...Having to get a "permit" to exercise a right is idiotic. There is already too much red tape and costs associated with concealed carry, you're furthering their agenda by supporting the bill. Also, how is your county requiring an application, back ground check, fingerprints, mug shot and approval for a concealed carry permit not another step towards registration that you disagree with on the other bills?

We seem to be heading perilously close to adopting NY and IL style gun laws within the next few years if this trend continues, where it will be a FELONY with zero tolerance and mandatory minimum sentencing simply for OWNING a firearm in your own home, auto, or place of business without a permit. Zero tolerance and mandatory minimums means that possession equals AUTOMATIC GUILT and no hope of jury nullification . . . don't think that your "Constitutional right" or a trial by jury will dismiss any charges brought against you. A few NorthEastern states have unofficially seceeded from the US years ago, becoming a hostile force intent on attacking the rest of the United States through legislation that will arbitrarily strip all Americans of all their rights . . . don't think this will be limited to the 2nd Amendment.

[losttrail]

F that...Having to get a "permit" to exercise a right is idiotic. There is already too much red tape and costs associated with concealed carry, you're furthering their agenda by supporting the bill. Also, how is your county requiring an application, back ground check, fingerprints, mug shot and approval for a concealed carry permit not another step towards registration that you disagree with on the other bills?

Ok, I will agree that I, as a law abiding citizen, should be able to CC or OC anywhere in the U.S. But should there not be some 'minimum' standards that be met? Shouldn't there be a determination as to whether a person carrying is a violent felon? Shouldn't there be some proof of proficiency? Again, we are not the nation we were 50, 75, 100, 200 years ago where nearly every home had at least one firearm.

Take a 21 year old woman who was raised in a home that was anti-gun, never had guns in the home, but for whatever reasons, she now feels that she wants to buy a handgun for protection. Should she just be able to go buy a gun and that's it? On one hand I say 'yes', but then is that fair to her and those around her that she now has a handgun but no clue how to use it?

Do you hunt? Should we abolish the requirement for hunter safety and just let anyone that can hold a gun run around the wilderness wtihout training?

Trust me, I want the governmnet to do three things: Secure our borders, reduce its own size by 95% and leave me alone.

But I do think there need to be some minimums set to protect us from ourselves. It's a tough arguement with no easy answers other than what has been proposed is wrong.

[davsel]

Ok, I will agree that I, as a law abiding citizen, should be able to CC or OC anywhere in the U.S. But should there not be some 'minimum' standards that be met? Shouldn't there be a determination as to whether a person carrying is a violent felon? Shouldn't there be some proof of proficiency? Again, we are not the nation we were 50, 75, 100, 200 years ago where nearly every home had at least one firearm.

Take a 21 year old woman who was raised in a home that was anti-gun, never had guns in the home, but for whatever reasons, she now feels that she wants to buy a handgun for protection. Should she just be able to go buy a gun and that's it? On one hand I say 'yes', but then is that fair to her and those around her that she now has a handgun but no clue how to use it?

Do you hunt? Should we abolish the requirement for hunter safety and just let anyone that can hold a gun run around the wilderness wtihout training?

Trust me, I want the governmnet to do three things: Secure our borders, reduce its own size by 95% and leave me alone.

But I do think there need to be some minimums set to protect us from ourselves. It's a tough arguement with no easy answers other than what has been proposed is wrong.

A "violent felon" is not legally allowed to own a firearm under current law. I do not think that is a problem.
Current law (C.R.S. 18-12-209) also allows for "emergency" permit issuance. Which would allow an 18 year old to carry for 90 days (with extensions until age of 21) after speaking to the sheriff - no proficiency required.

I do not see why a 21 year old woman should not be able to own a handgun just because she wants to. It is not the government's job to protect us from ourselves. That is the slope we are on (started by women's suffrage) and it is getting worse every year.

I 100% agree with your view of a proper government.

[Clint45]

I do not see why a 21 year old woman should not be able to own a handgun just because she wants to. It is not the government's job to protect us from ourselves. That is the slope we are on (started by women's suffrage) and it is getting worse every year.

Wait . . . you think a woman should be allowed to own a handgun but be denied the right to vote???

[davsel]

Wait . . . you think a woman should be allowed to own a handgun but be denied the right to vote???

Yes, of course.
I believe self defense to be an unalienable God given right of all.
The right to vote and govern, however, should be reserved for those who posses a less passionate and emotional sense of reasoning. I believe you can trace the expansion of government control over "what is good for us" to the increase of more emotionally based legislation.
The two "rights" are not related - in my opinion.

[Clint45]

Sounds like another Liberal troll stirring up shit on the forum, trying to paint Colorado gun owners as backwards bigots. Go back to Noo Yawk City, motherfucker!

Yes, of course.
I believe self defense to be an unalienable God given right of all.
The right to vote and govern, however, should be reserved for those who posses a less passionate and emotional sense of reasoning. I believe you can trace the expansion of government control over "what is good for us" to the increase of more emotionally based legislation.
The two "rights" are not related - in my opinion.

[Watermagnet]

For those that have never read their constitution, Concealed Carry in Colorado is not a right. Quite specifically, in fact.

It is a revocable privilege in this State.

Flame on! But you might want to do some googling first, you might just be surprised at what you find out.....

I should have articulated my thoughts better...Yes, I know Colorado is not a constitutional carry state, that is part of my frustration. I believe the right to self defense as defined "The Right To Protect One's Person And Property From Injury" (Lectlaw) should not be left up to a "permit" by some arbitrary standards depending upon where you live.

I am not willing to give any ground on these issues because the left will keep attacking and throwing more shit out there hoping some will stick. How many issues have we had in CO with concealed carry owners that qualified online? Yes I googled it, and no I wasn't surprised at what I found. If someone with greater research abilities or resources has more information, I would love to learn more. The bottom line in my opinion is that this bill is another factless emotional attack on gun owners.

@losttrail - Yes, I hunt every year. There was empircal evidence (something the left has yet to prove on any gun control issue) that suggested there was a hunter safety issue per DOW. "Colorado hunters experienced an average of nine fatal and 24 non-fatal hunting accidents each year during the 1960s. Noting this, the Colorado legislature took action and passed the hunter education course completion requirement in 1970. The effect? In the '90s, the averages went down to 1.3 fatal and 11 non-fatal hunting accidents. The latest five years, through 2004, averaged 1.6 fatal and 10 non-fatal hunting accidents"...

And I'm with you 100% on the 3 things you'd like to see from the government, but I'm afraid we're SOL Have a great night!

[68Charger]

SB 195 I really have no problem with. Getting a CCW via internet "training" is idiotic. I think a CCW class should mandate range time and classroom time with 'hands on' training.

All the rest need to go to "File 13" as it is clear that NONE of these bills has anything to do with reducing crime or saving lives. These are merely the first steps towards all out registration and confiscation.

The issue I have with this line of thinking is that it's no "compromise"... if they're willing to give something in return, maybe I'd support it
fee for background checks waived for CCW permit holders, waiving the background check for CCW permits (once permit is verified), for example...
waiving the fee isn't an issue yet, until they pass the fee bill, and waiving the BGC was already shutdown in this session (how many knew that?)


Otherwise, they are just grabbing power from law-abiding citizens without any regard to them...which just proves they aren't about representing us AT ALL...