Policeman gets owned by law student

[PugnacAutMortem]

Enough of this-

Ronin, I know you want desperately to be a cop, so you see nothing wrong on the cop side and the citizen in question is in the wrong, but in this case, your flat wrong. Back up a second and look at this in a different light. Watch the video again. I OPEN CARRY. Friends of mine OPEN CARRY, and I promise you that if a cop came up and TOOK MY GUN before he even asked my name etc. I would not be particularly cooperative and might need bail money afterwards.

JM, I like you, met you at the range, but back that shit up. Are you even a LEO? Seems like I remember you posting to that effect but cant remember, however, open carry is legal. Get over it.

However in your guys honor I am going to put aside my Kel-tec cc gun and strap up with the XDM on the hip. Maybe head over to wal-mart or the mall.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED MEANS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Its just not for mags yanno!

That's a damn good 1,00th post my friend.

[MrPrena]

In before

[Ronin13]

Why is it a dick move, when the kid doesn't have to do this? So the kid is dick for not volunteering more information than he is required to, by law? The cop shouldn't have even been talking to him if he didn't have a reason to suspect that a crime was being committed. And carrying a gun isn't a reason to suspect that a crime has been committed. A concerned citizen saying that there's someone carrying a gun isn't reason to suspect that a crime has been committed.

You guys go ahead and talk to cops and give them whatever they ask for, no matter what your rights are. I'm going to do the absolute bare minimum, every single time. And if that makes me a stupid idiot asshole who people predict will get kicked off this message board in short order, so be it.

The cop asked his name, he refused to give it. I know he's not required by law, but FFS that's just being an asshole. Stop standing on principal when IRL if a cop has contact with you and politely asks so they can converse with you, what is your first name, it's kind of being a big swollen asshole to say "I'm not gonna give you that... huff!"

Enough of this-

Ronin, I know you want desperately to be a cop, so you see nothing wrong on the cop side and the citizen in question is in the wrong, but in this case, your flat wrong. Back up a second and look at this in a different light. Watch the video again. I OPEN CARRY. Friends of mine OPEN CARRY, and I promise you that if a cop came up and TOOK MY GUN before he even asked my name etc. I would not be particularly cooperative and might need bail money afterwards.

JM, I like you, met you at the range, but back that shit up. Are you even a LEO? Seems like I remember you posting to that effect but cant remember, however, open carry is legal. Get over it.

However in your guys honor I am going to put aside my Kel-tec cc gun and strap up with the XDM on the hip. Maybe head over to wal-mart or the mall.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED MEANS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Its just not for mags yanno!

You assume a lot... I'm not being some, what's the word some have used on here? "Badge licker." I'm not saying OC is wrong, or bad... I'm all for it, but due to the way the world is today (and if you fail to see this you are in for a real shocker) OCing draws unwanted attention in populated areas... Sheep will call the cops, not all cops are well versed on 110% of every single law, regulation, statute or rule... this is just the way it is. Expecting cops to know EVERY single of the 100,000's of laws out there is just ludicrous. I'm not defending the cop's actions, I'm not saying in this case they did right- but as we all learned as kids (I hope we all did) two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts make a right! <interjecting humor to ease the tension in here. The kid in the video was a prick, the cop overstepped, there! Okay? My main point was: When you go out looking for confrontation you are an asshole, plain and simple. If you're just going out and exercising your rights in OCing, good for you, but don't be surprised, nor come crying when you have an interaction with LE because someone called in "a man with a gun." That's the way it is these days, I wish it weren't, but hey, I wish a lot of things weren't this way, like Obama being president, gas costing nearly $4/gal, etc. Adapt and overcome, or do your part in changing it THE RIGHT WAY. Don't strap a gun on your hip, get your camera, and go out looking to be the next YouTube douche looking for cops to confront, that is not the right way, and it only makes you look like a punk.

[generalmeow]

When you go out looking for confrontation you are an asshole, plain and simple.

So when you're carrying a video camera, you're looking for a confrontation? Because I'm trying to figure out what you think this kid did differently to draw attention that any other person OC'ing wouldn't also be doing (namely, walking around with a gun on your hip). If he was purposely going around trying to scare people, then he may have been breaking the law. But since the cop didn't arrest him, I assume that wasn't the case. He was literally just minding his own business, and had a video camera (probably his cell phone) on him, and was ready to use it.