Discussion for all the internet lawyers regarding possible mag limits and state lines.

[Clint45]

Learn this phrase: "I'm not consenting to any searches." Rinse and repeat.

People who get caught by these "gotcha" laws make the mistake of allowing a search. Driving across the border is not reasonable suspicion for a search. Refusing a search is not reasonable suspicion for a search. Decline the search, accept a ticket if the officer wants to write you one for speeding or whatnot, and move on.

Uh . . . you clearly do not understand the nature of an unlawful vehicle search as conduced in a police state. We do not, now, have a police state in Colorado. Vehicle searches are rare here, absent a crime having been committed and reported, giving probable cause. In NY, IL, NJ, and DC things are different. A cop pulls you over for a minor offense or no reason at all, then asks if you will exit the vehicle and consent to a search. If you refuse, he will not let you go. If you drive away you will probably be shot. One of two things will happen. Either you will be ordered out of the car at gunpoint and proned out on the side of the road and cuffed, or, if you get a good cop, you will be forced to wait for over an hour until a supervisor and a K9 unit show up, then be lectured for another hour about "wasting time and resources" while flashlights are shined in every window and under your car and it is circled by the K9 . . . and if that dog barks (simple hand signal) they now have reasonable cause for a search.

Oh, have fun spending over $50K to sue them in court. It will be the word of several policemen against yours, and in a police state the policeman's word carries a lot more weight and is rarely questioned.

Colorado is not like that yet. Even the infamous DPD do not act in such a manner. NYPD and NYSP play by an entirely different set of rules . . . and they have the full support of the courts and politicians. Your "Constitutional rights" are void in states that do not recognize them, and such searches have been upheld when challenged.

[Ronin13]

Clint, just FYI- I went on a ride along with a JCSO K-9 deputy back in '06... EVERY stop he asked if he could search the vehicle (4 traffic stops). Now, granted, all 4 stops involved a seizure of MJ and a citation for small amount possession, but still, when they ask at every stop (and consent is stupidly given) then I'd say vehicle searches are not rare. I'm asked frequently if they can search my car- although last traffic stop was in '10 and he didn't, I'd say of the 10 times either I personally or I had been in the car for a stop, 7 of them requested to search and consent given on 4 (two by me).

[kidicarus13]

When a police K-9 can detect magazines I'll start to worry about crossing state lines with magazines purchased out of state. Until then I'll just say "No" to voluntary searches.

[Clint45]

When a police K-9 can detect magazines I'll start to worry about crossing state lines with magazines purchased out of state. Until then I'll just say "No" to voluntary searches.

If the K9 alerts on your car, that is probable cause to search. Some K9s are trained to "alert" if given a hand signal.

It is like a polygraph examiner who tweaks the results so the readings spike . . . it does not matter if you are telling the truth . . . if the machine indicates a "lie", then you lied.

Common excuses for conducting a search include: "He made a furtive movement," or "I smelled the odor of marijuana," . . . and all that means is it is the cop's word against yours.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

When a police K-9 can detect magazines I'll start to worry about crossing state lines with magazines purchased out of state. Until then I'll just say "No" to voluntary searches.

Theres dogs that can specifically sniff out bed bugs. Shouldn't be an issue.

[Great-Kazoo]

Theres dogs that can specifically sniff out bed bugs. Shouldn't be an issue.

And there is also not enough funding (for now) to be worried about gun magazine "smugglers" a comin across da wyo border Whooping and A Hollerin, Hollerin and a Whooping.

[Dingo]

I'm picturing Burt Reynolds jumping his car off a conveniently-placed ramp across the state line, yelling something witty like, "yeehaw", a few PMAGs spilling out of a trunk packed full of them. With thirty or so cop cars in hot pursuit, citizens and sparkly-eyed girls and boys cheering his triumphant return to Colorado.

[kidicarus13]

Theres dogs that can specifically sniff out bed bugs. Shouldn't be an issue.

I don't load my firearms with bed bugs so I should be good. That was a joke, I understand your inference. Assuming in the future I do cross state borders with _____ in my vehicle, I'll take my chances.

[KestrelBike]

Magpul needs to stop date stamping them. As much as they care about us over these moron politicians, I can't imagine that once they settle in to their new location and set up the machinery that they would continue date stamping of any kind. Second, never consent to a search of your vehicle, ever, for this or anything else. If they impound the vehicle and do it anyway, say nothing without a lawyer.

Now maybe folks who like saying "search me, I have nothing to hide" can see the value of how the other amendments work to protect people.

Third, go get your mags (or fireworks or whatever) then continue north, have lunch somewhere, then come back on a quieter road.

Or Magpul could just freeze in time their date-stamping to the day that it was signed into law (and theoretically still had time to make it to retailer, then be sold to the consumer in question).

[KestrelBike]

If the K9 alerts on your car, that is probable cause to search. Some K9s are trained to "alert" if given a hand signal.

Wow if true, that's pretty f'in bulls***