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    Quote Originally Posted by kraven251 View Post
    Most the people that were voting Dem in 2012, were voting for women's health.
    The ironic thing is... those who were voted in because of "women's health" are the same ones turning around and saying "while we will give you the CHOICE of abortion... we are going to take away your CHOICE of protection on college campuses".

    Rape on college campus? Oh don't worry about that... we'll give you the choice to abort it AFTER the rape! No need to worry about protecting yourself FROM the rape!

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    You NYNCO and other LIBERALS ARE THE PROBLEM
    Neatly summed up in these words. promoted you to my conservative friends and family


    Quote Originally Posted by wreave View Post
    Here's the letter I just wrote to Hick:

    Governor Hickenlooper,

    Thank you.

    Originally, this message was intended to be a persuasive explanation of why HB13-1224 and its related gun control laws are bad ideas. However, it has become clear that your mind, and those of your compatriots, have already been made up. So instead of trying to convince you not to sign a bad law, I write to express my appreciation.

    You see, when you were elected, you had my full support. Both during the campaign season, and subsequently, I have not just defended you, but promoted you to my conservative friends and family. “He’s a Democrat,” they said. “But look at his record - his business record - his political record,” I replied. “Hickenlooper is a smart businessman who will make good decisions for Colorado. If he had an R next to his name, you’d love him. But just because he has a D doesn’t mean he’s not the right guy.”

    I even defended you to a state senator last summer, when I cornered him over the civil union debacle. I thought the Republican handling of that law last year was a travesty, and I told him so. I told him I thought you were the right guy to lead Colorado. “Send me fifty Hickenloopers,” I told him, “and put one in every state. Better yet, send a hundred Hickenloopers to the US Senate, and we’ll get good lawmaking that will help this country.”

    As it turns out, I couldn’t have been more wrong.

    By now, you have heard all the reasons why these proposals are bad. Should I rehash that the 1994 AWB had no impact on crime? Need I ask you how a pistol grip or adjustable stock affect the lethality of a firearm? Should I note that both the Columbine and Virginia Tech shootings took place under magazine capacity limiting legislation? Would you care for me to mention that for the entire history of the USA, civilians have had the same firearms at home as the military took to war? Would you recognize that while magazine capacity, firearm, caliber, and many other gun-related distinctions separate the different mass shootings we’ve suffered over the years, the common thread running through all but one is that they occurred in “gun-free zones”? Does it matter to you that the proposed magazine capacity legislation is so poorly written that it actually bans the most common sporting shotguns in America? Dare I question the fallacy of limiting magazine capacity so that a brave soul should stand close enough to a shooter to tackle him during a reload, yet should wait for that reload before moving in?

    Is there any consideration being given to the obvious will of the people of the State of Colorado in this matter?

    Apparently, the facts don’t matter to you or your fellow Democrats. Emotional testimony has been heard, but only given weight when supportive of these bills. A woman who had a gun but, in compliance with the law, left it in her car and was raped, is “on the wrong side of statistics,” while a woman who was defenseless by choice and shot by a lunatic is paraded around the country like some sort of circus act. Logic and reason have had no place in this debate.

    Yet at the end of the day, in the House and the Senate, none of this surprises me. Dumb things happened last year when the Republicans were in charge, and dumb things are happening this year with the Democrats on top. I expected all this. However, what I did not expect was for you to fall in line so easily. I did not expect you to take the party line. I did not expect you to ignore the reason, and ignore the logic, and give in to the rhetoric.

    So, thank you. Thank you for the reminder that when the chips are down, that D next to your name matters. Thank you for the impetus to get involved. I’ve never gotten into politics beyond a yard sign for one of my favorite high school teachers that was running for the school board, but that’s changed. You can count on my active involvement - not just financially, but in terms of my time and effort. Thank you for spurring me to action, and for the critical reminder that I cannot trust a politician to do what’s right - that they can only be counted on to march with their party.

    “Thank you,” said the frog to the scorpion. “Thank you for this lesson. I will put it to good use.”

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    OOps..
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    The left vs. right paradigm is simply a distraction from the overreaching power grab the government has been committed to regardless of party. The illusion of actual choice, both parties suck. That being said I'll be kicking democrats out with my vote next election.

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    Jim and Wreave, that letter is damn golden; it's about how I feel after supporting him for 3 years now.
    To question your government is not unpatriotic — to not question your government is unpatriotic.

    Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws.

    But, it's for the children!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wreave View Post
    Here's the letter I just wrote to Hick:

    Governor Hickenlooper,

    Thank you.

    Originally, this message was intended to be a persuasive explanation of why HB13-1224 and its related gun control laws are bad ideas. However, it has become clear that your mind, and those of your compatriots, have already been made up. So instead of trying to convince you not to sign a bad law, I write to express my appreciation.

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    So, thank you. Thank you for the reminder that when the chips are down, that D next to your name matters. Thank you for the impetus to get involved. I’ve never gotten into politics beyond a yard sign for one of my favorite high school teachers that was running for the school board, but that’s changed. You can count on my active involvement - not just financially, but in terms of my time and effort. Thank you for spurring me to action, and for the critical reminder that I cannot trust a politician to do what’s right - that they can only be counted on to march with their party.

    “Thank you,” said the frog to the scorpion. “Thank you for this lesson. I will put it to good use.”

    (wreave)
    Colorado resident since 1984
    Hopefully you sent this via snail mail. I have heard from someone that works at the capitol building that there are so many emails and voice mails coming in that they are being deleted enmasse.. Not that that wouldn't get your snail mail thrown directly into a bin. I would also send it out to various papers as part of their reader feedback/op-ed sections.

    The capitol worker said that the best way to get attention is to just go into the capitol building and drop off your letter personally in their office. There is also a good chance that if your rep was not meeting with another person that you may even get a personal audience.

    This person used to be a personal aide for a Senator and now just works in the building in a different position not directly related to a specific Rep.
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    I can't believe how many of you supported this guy. I knew he was a piece of shit when he emerged, a buddy of Ritter is no friend of mine. You guys got taken believing liberal lies.
    im glad you at least now see the light, but it is costing us dearly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikedubs View Post
    Jim and Wreave, that letter is damn golden; it's about how I feel after supporting him for 3 years now.
    It's my letter. Jim was just quoting it and thinks I'm a liberal.

    But thank you!

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    Well, he's half right when it comes to me. I DON'T represent the Republican party since I'm an independent. However, I agree with Bailey Guns -- anyone who has said there's no difference between the Republican and Democrat parties only needs to look at these bills and who is voting for or against them. We got to this point because non-Democrats divided their votes which allowed people like Roy Romer and Federico Pena to get in office, making the state more attractive to liberals from Commiepornia, Taxachusetts, etc. and creating a self-feeding cycle.

    I liked Tancredo in the House but his third-party run gave the Hickenlooper the election. It would have been a far different Senate if Bennet hadn't been given the election by the infighting between Buck and Norton -- with huge impacts for the country since Reid wouldn't have had the votes to beat a GOP filibuster.

    You want to take the state back? Start by quitting the "turd vs. shit sandwich" malarkey and concentrate on candidates that will beat Hickenlooper, Morse, etc. regardless of whether you consider them "lesser of evils".

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    Quote Originally Posted by kraven251 View Post
    Most the people that were voting Dem in 2012, were voting for women's health. If the Dems had come out on a stage or a commercial and say "And by the way we are coming after every firearm in the state and the country," they wouldn't have made it.

    People got sucked in, they believed they were voting for "progress" and voting against an outdated way of looking at things...they failed to realize the unintended consequences of putting these people in power.
    I call BS. They willingly believed in lies and non-sequiturs to rationalize their votes. The so-called "Story of Julia" and other "women's health" garbage spread by the Democrat Party and Obama were just so much sewage. In the first place, call it what it is -- a desire for widely available and preferably taxpayer-funded abortions -- because nothing else in the Dem platform had anything to do with women's health (and I would contend abortion itself is a non-sequitur to overall women's health). In the second place, there was nothing in the GOP plank about removing access to abortions; hell, Romney's biggest problem inside the GOP was that he came from Massachusetts and wasn't considered conservative enough.

    Those of you who voted for REGRESSIVE and OUTDATED Stalinist government -- whether it was voting for Obama, Hickenlooper, or your local rep -- got exactly what you deserve. Unfortunately, your votes are dragging the rest of us along with you.

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