We're Done with Colorado

[SG1]

See ya. We will be here fighting if you need us. Once Obama grants all the illegal immigrants citizenship say good bye to Texas.

He is right...if we dont fight the progressive statist aganda on all fronts...we will run and run and run, untill there is no where left to run to...fight or die..pick one....

[Jer]

He is right...if we dont fight the progressive statist aganda on all fronts...we will run and run and run, untill there is no where left to run to...fight or die..pick one....

Or it could be that those of us who are like-minded join other states who are of the same ideals to solidify our stance. This is how the Republic was intended as far as states making differing laws from other states. I will however admit that they NEVER had the 2nd amendment in mind as far as things that would be restricted and I really don't see how they could have made that any more clear. That being said, in the spirit of the Republic we also are considering a move out-of-state. I moved here from Nebraska in the mid 90's so that's a state near the top of our list. Texas is nice but too hot/humid for me although my wife would be fine with it. Wyoming would also be a consideration due to distance to current home, work and family here and in Nebraska. Wyoming & Texas both share the lack of state income tax which is a bonus. Arizona also has some family but the heat and immigration problem aren't really something I'm wanting to voluntarily move into. Not really sure what we're going to do but I don't see choosing to live in another state as being a coward or taking the easy way out. Sometimes the right choice is also the easier choice. Not always.... but sometimes.

Was I a coward when I chose to leave Nebraska to move to Colorado because, at the time, the state offered more in the way of my personal ideals? So how is it different if I choose to leave now?

[SG1]

Or it could be that those of us who are like-minded join other states who are of the same ideals to solidify our stance. This is how the Republic was intended as far as states making differing laws from other states. I will however admit that they NEVER had the 2nd amendment in mind as far as things that would be restricted and I really don't see how they could have made that any more clear. That being said, in the spirit of the Republic we also are considering a move out-of-state. I moved here from Nebraska in the mid 90's so that's a state near the top of our list. Texas is nice but too hot/humid for me although my wife would be fine with it. Wyoming would also be a consideration due to distance to current home, work and family here and in Nebraska. Wyoming & Texas both share the lack of state income tax which is a bonus. Arizona also has some family but the heat and immigration problem aren't really something I'm wanting to voluntarily move into. Not really sure what we're going to do but I don't see choosing to live in another state as being a coward or taking the easy way out. Sometimes the right choice is also the easier choice. Not always.... but sometimes.

Was I a coward when I chose to leave Nebraska to move to Colorado because, at the time, the state offered more in the way of my personal ideals? So how is it different if I choose to leave now?

Never called you a coward...you are brave for make a choice, and following it..

As for moving to other "free" states to "solidify our stance", its a great idea..but if back fires for a number of reasons. here a few.

Free states will have a massive economical boom, higher standerd of living,cheap goods, more jobs, ect.

the reason for this is pro free market principals, few regulations,low or few if any taxes, reapect and understand the 2nd amandment(there is no point in producing if you can not keep the fruits of your labor) ect

Now lets compare this to other "Statist" states, with high taxes,few jobs,miles of red tape,higher crimes rates(and yet the toughtest gun laws) people in those states will have been so indoctronated in goverment run schools to be good little statist, maybe a few wake up, but most wont...they will want a better life..and they will move to the "free" states.

Sadly they will vote the state way...bigger government,higher taxes,more rules and regulations, limiting our rights in the name of freedom(we are some what to blame..sitting around demending the NRA,GOA ect to fight our fights for us,backing down when they paint us as uncaring,racist ect, and voting in RINO`s ect)

look at Texas right now, look at Floridia now, and look at the state of the state of Colorado, five years ago, do you think such bills would be more then words? the Statist spread and "reverse terraform" every area the moving into...and keep in mind even if those dont you have to work under the the growing weight of the federal government...which when you look at who the statist voters vote for and how the vote(who ever give me more and promise to do more for me and give me more) its easy to see how the statist in power get elected..

Progressive Statism the system which in the last 100 years has given us such "wonderful" things like the 16th Amendment,Prohibition,The Federal Reseve,The National Firearms Act(which was thanks to Prohibition,ask the question why was the mob using them? why was their so much crime after Prohinition was pass and so little before and after it?)The Gold Confiscation Act, and much worse please google

American progressive eugenics inspired the Nazi
or
The Rockefeller Foundation helped develop and fund various German eugenics programs, including the one that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to Auschwitz.

One of the things we can do is fix the schools, go from a statist ideaology to a pro-liberty one we can do this demanding and getting a school voucher system with this the we break the monopoloy of government run schools with the indocrontion machine FUBAR`ed we can pervent the pollution of young minds...

If you think I am over-reaction to this please google "Give me a child when he's 7 and he's mine forever,"
and look up what some kids are forced to do,say,and learn..."guns are bad" "we are killing the planet"
"America is unfair and racist" "The Constitution is outdated,and has no meaning in todays America" its gets worse the higher in grades you go...and even worse in colleges.


The other is Vote and RUN FOR OFFICE!!!!!...why not you? if Joe Biden can run for and hold any office..you can too..

if you wish to move fine, but with a large amount of 3rd world immigration must of it socalist/statist, and failing education system(it is failing buy design) even states in the "American Redobut" will look like LA, poor,urban,crime ridden,statist hellholes..ruled by the elitist.

the greatest tragedy is the loss of freedom.

[Jer]

Never called you a coward...you are brave for make a choice, and following it..

As for moving to other "free" states to "solidify our stance", its a great idea..but if back fires for a number of reasons. here a few.

Free states will have a massive economical boom, higher standerd of living,cheap goods, more jobs, ect.

the reason for this is pro free market principals, few regulations,low or few if any taxes, reapect and understand the 2nd amandment(there is no point in producing if you can not keep the fruits of your labor) ect

Now lets compare this to other "Statist" states, with high taxes,few jobs,miles of red tape,higher crimes rates(and yet the toughtest gun laws) people in those states will have been so indoctronated in goverment run schools to be good little statist, maybe a few wake up, but most wont...they will want a better life..and they will move to the "free" states.

Sadly they will vote the state way...bigger government,higher taxes,more rules and regulations, limiting our rights in the name of freedom(we are some what to blame..sitting around demending the NRA,GOA ect to fight our fights for us,backing down when they paint us as uncaring,racist ect, and voting in RINO`s ect)

look at Texas right now, look at Floridia now, and look at the state of the state of Colorado, five years ago, do you think such bills would be more then words? the Statist spread and "reverse terraform" every area the moving into...and keep in mind even if those dont you have to work under the the growing weight of the federal government...which when you look at who the statist voters vote for and how the vote(who ever give me more and promise to do more for me and give me more) its easy to see how the statist in power get elected..

Progressive Statism the system which in the last 100 years has given us such "wonderful" things like the 16th Amendment,Prohibition,The Federal Reseve,The National Firearms Act(which was thanks to Prohibition,ask the question why was the mob using them? why was their so much crime after Prohinition was pass and so little before and after it?)The Gold Confiscation Act, and much worse please google

American progressive eugenics inspired the Nazi
or
The Rockefeller Foundation helped develop and fund various German eugenics programs, including the one that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to Auschwitz.

One of the things we can do is fix the schools, go from a statist ideaology to a pro-liberty one we can do this demanding and getting a school voucher system with this the we break the monopoloy of government run schools with the indocrontion machine FUBAR`ed we can pervent the pollution of young minds...

If you think I am over-reaction to this please google "Give me a child when he's 7 and he's mine forever,"
and look up what some kids are forced to do,say,and learn..."guns are bad" "we are killing the planet"
"America is unfair and racist" "The Constitution is outdated,and has no meaning in todays America" its gets worse the higher in grades you go...and even worse in colleges.


The other is Vote and RUN FOR OFFICE!!!!!...why not you? if Joe Biden can run for and hold any office..you can too..

if you wish to move fine, but with a large amount of 3rd world immigration must of it socalist/statist, and failing education system(it is failing buy design) even states in the "American Redobut" will look like LA, poor,urban,crime ridden,statist hellholes..ruled by the elitist.

the greatest tragedy is the loss of freedom.

While I agree with much of what you say I disagree that moving to a state like Texas or FL will somehow make things worse. How would Colorado be today if more people like us had looked to us as a haven or Liberty and started relocating here? We wouldn't have the reps in office that we have today and therefore our numbers would be strengthened. There's a reason people are considering moving to Texas and other similar states. The more like-minded people who relocate within their borders the more the pudendum swings in the other direction. I could just as easily say that people who remain in states that have made it very clear they don't side with Liberty are doing more HARM than good by NOT relocating to a Liberty loving state to make a stand and an example of what freedom SHOULD look like. It's an interesting debate but for myself, I will fight for the state that I CHOSE and the state that I LOVE as long as I possibly can. When it gets to the point where I feel like I'm being criminalized for living my life as a free man I will not subject myself or my family to that sort of tyranny. You can stay and fight as the number of liberals grows and grows and I commend you for doing it but life is short and I'm growing tired of fighting and last I checked Texas was still in the US.

[SG1]

While I agree with much of what you say I disagree that moving to a state like Texas or FL will somehow make things worse. How would Colorado be today if more people like us had looked to us as a haven or Liberty and started relocating here? We wouldn't have the reps in office that we have today and therefore our numbers would be strengthened. There's a reason people are considering moving to Texas and other similar states. The more like-minded people who relocate within their borders the more the pudendum swings in the other direction. I could just as easily say that people who remain in states that have made it very clear they don't side with Liberty are doing more HARM than good by NOT relocating to a Liberty loving state to make a stand and an example of what freedom SHOULD look like. It's an interesting debate but for myself, I will fight for the state that I CHOSE and the state that I LOVE as long as I possibly can. When it gets to the point where I feel like I'm being criminalized for living my life as a free man I will not subject myself or my family to that sort of tyranny. You can stay and fight as the number of liberals grows and grows and I commend you for doing it but life is short and I'm growing tired of fighting and last I checked Texas was still in the US.

I mean Texas or FL are slowing turning into marxist(liberals are marxist please stop lying to your selves) states...you are right abour freeom loving patriots moving, but remember for every one that moves and votes...10 members of the Free Shit Army will move and vote....We will win in the long run...and the freedom loving patriots will never again be oppressed by Progressive Statistism.,,fight on sir I have your six..

[alxone]

for me the choice was simple .the wife wanted to move back home and i wanted out of 5-points . my father still lives in the points and ill be there once a month till he dies or i force him to leave colorado