We're Done with Colorado

[Zundfolge]

How is living in the Springs going to help you if the proposed legislation becomes state law? It doesn't get a lot more conservative than where I live in Park Co. Doesn't do me a lot of good when state law is dictated by people in the DMA, Boulder and elsewhere along the front range.

My comment is directed at the notion that the state of Colorado seems hopelessly lost to the left. Outside of the DMA and Boulder you see a lot more cause for hope.

Thing is I believe this latest gun grab may very well be the one thing needed to get the state back on the right side ... much like the 1994 Federal AWB reversed the house and senate in the most dramatic reversal of power in American history and likely prevented Algore from becoming president I believe there is a chance that the backlash to the current gun laws might blow up in the face of the dems and we can take the state back.

I'm not going to stay here and fight forever, but the next couple of years have the potential to be a turning point. I like living here enough that I'm willing to fight for a couple more years.

I moved to Colorado from Kansas in 2002 in part because I thought Kansas was a lost cause ... Kathleen Sibelius was Governess and the left appeared to be on the rise. The previous Republican Governor had vetoed CCW twice and frankly I expected to see Kansas turn into California on the Planes. Now Sam Brownback is Governor there and heads probably one of the most conservative governments Kansas has ever seen so you never know where things will lead (I also theorized before that I believe that Texas is the next major target of the left ... a victory here in CO will have an impact on which way TX goes).

That said, I have to agree that its asinine to call someone that doesn't want to stay here and fight a coward ... you have to do what's right for you and just because you don't want to fight now doesn't mean you haven't fought in the past.

I do think its sad that so many seem to have given up on Colorado so soon.

[Snowman]

Texas will become the next Israel if the rest of us can't hold onto the high ground here. What is needed is for more conservatives to move into Colorado.

[SG1]

Or it could be that those of us who are like-minded join other states who are of the same ideals to solidify our stance. This is how the Republic was intended as far as states making differing laws from other states. I will however admit that they NEVER had the 2nd amendment in mind as far as things that would be restricted and I really don't see how they could have made that any more clear. That being said, in the spirit of the Republic we also are considering a move out-of-state. I moved here from Nebraska in the mid 90's so that's a state near the top of our list. Texas is nice but too hot/humid for me although my wife would be fine with it. Wyoming would also be a consideration due to distance to current home, work and family here and in Nebraska. Wyoming & Texas both share the lack of state income tax which is a bonus. Arizona also has some family but the heat and immigration problem aren't really something I'm wanting to voluntarily move into. Not really sure what we're going to do but I don't see choosing to live in another state as being a coward or taking the easy way out. Sometimes the right choice is also the easier choice. Not always.... but sometimes.

Was I a coward when I chose to leave Nebraska to move to Colorado because, at the time, the state offered more in the way of my personal ideals? So how is it different if I choose to leave now?

Never called you a coward...you are brave for make a choice, and following it..

As for moving to other "free" states to "solidify our stance", its a great idea..but if back fires for a number of reasons. here a few.

Free states will have a massive economical boom, higher standerd of living,cheap goods, more jobs, ect.

the reason for this is pro free market principals, few regulations,low or few if any taxes, reapect and understand the 2nd amandment(there is no point in producing if you can not keep the fruits of your labor) ect

Now lets compare this to other "Statist" states, with high taxes,few jobs,miles of red tape,higher crimes rates(and yet the toughtest gun laws) people in those states will have been so indoctronated in goverment run schools to be good little statist, maybe a few wake up, but most wont...they will want a better life..and they will move to the "free" states.

Sadly they will vote the state way...bigger government,higher taxes,more rules and regulations, limiting our rights in the name of freedom(we are some what to blame..sitting around demending the NRA,GOA ect to fight our fights for us,backing down when they paint us as uncaring,racist ect, and voting in RINO`s ect)

look at Texas right now, look at Floridia now, and look at the state of the state of Colorado, five years ago, do you think such bills would be more then words? the Statist spread and "reverse terraform" every area the moving into...and keep in mind even if those dont you have to work under the the growing weight of the federal government...which when you look at who the statist voters vote for and how the vote(who ever give me more and promise to do more for me and give me more) its easy to see how the statist in power get elected..

Progressive Statism the system which in the last 100 years has given us such "wonderful" things like the 16th Amendment,Prohibition,The Federal Reseve,The National Firearms Act(which was thanks to Prohibition,ask the question why was the mob using them? why was their so much crime after Prohinition was pass and so little before and after it?)The Gold Confiscation Act, and much worse please google

American progressive eugenics inspired the Nazi
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The Rockefeller Foundation helped develop and fund various German eugenics programs, including the one that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to Auschwitz.

One of the things we can do is fix the schools, go from a statist ideaology to a pro-liberty one we can do this demanding and getting a school voucher system with this the we break the monopoloy of government run schools with the indocrontion machine FUBAR`ed we can pervent the pollution of young minds...

If you think I am over-reaction to this please google "Give me a child when he's 7 and he's mine forever,"
and look up what some kids are forced to do,say,and learn..."guns are bad" "we are killing the planet"
"America is unfair and racist" "The Constitution is outdated,and has no meaning in todays America" its gets worse the higher in grades you go...and even worse in colleges.


The other is Vote and RUN FOR OFFICE!!!!!...why not you? if Joe Biden can run for and hold any office..you can too..

if you wish to move fine, but with a large amount of 3rd world immigration must of it socalist/statist, and failing education system(it is failing buy design) even states in the "American Redobut" will look like LA, poor,urban,crime ridden,statist hellholes..ruled by the elitist.

the greatest tragedy is the loss of freedom.

[Squeeze]

Honestly, at this point and think it's a scenario like: "You can run but you can't hide". The damn anti-gun folks are on a mission to take our 2nd Amendment...period. They are just going to chip away at each state until they get to wherever you are at. If you plan on running from the issue, it's going to be costly to move on a regular basis. I'm not happy about the BS legislation that's being pushed through our house but my line in the sand is here and I'm willing to plant my feet and fight tooth & nail until there's no more fight left in me. Figure we might as well collectively stand our ground here...hell, Colorado is as good as place as any right? I love Colorado and I'm a transplant from Iowa. Well...I should say I love Colorado once I'm out of the damn city. Bottom line is, we need all the help we can get. For those of us who were there on Monday know how ludicrous it was to see people testify on behalf of HB1224 who weren't even a Colorado state resident. Hell, one asshat they had talk was a Canadian police officer visiting Colorado. WTF over? So why not reach out and start contacting people from other states who are anti-gun control and get them here to speak as our "professional witnesses"? If we're going down...might as well be swinging.

[Guylee]

It will be interesting to see where the state's at around my 2016 ETS date, but it's becoming abundantly more clear to me that the state I grew up in and loved may not be the one I return to.

[alxone]

for me the choice was simple .the wife wanted to move back home and i wanted out of 5-points . my father still lives in the points and ill be there once a month till he dies or i force him to leave colorado

[Jutt]

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I grew up in sw Virginia (22yrs) before I moved out here. Given proximity to D.C. and the somewhat draconion nature of Virginia&#39;s lawmakers, I would be hesistent IF the primary reason to move somewhere is based on 2nd ammendment rights. Virginia will be one of the next states to fall. Not too mention the differences in weather, crime, economy, demographics and all the things that make CO such a nice place to live.</p>

[rondog]

ALL states will eventually fall, IMO. Real patriots are up against an unstoppable monster. The only chance there is for this country to ever return to its original design would require a second Revolution. And there's a better chance of seeing God himself come with a bunch of pizzas than there is of a Revolution. This country is doomed, us peons don't have a chance against the Power Elite that are running things.

[Zundfolge]

ALL states will eventually fall, IMO. Real patriots are up against an unstoppable monster. The only chance there is for this country to ever return to its original design would require a second Revolution. And there's a better chance of seeing God himself come with a bunch of pizzas than there is of a Revolution. This country is doomed, us peons don't have a chance against the Power Elite that are running things.

Actually when the global economy crashes we'll probably have that second revolution here (or more likely several smaller secessionist wars around the country, so maybe in CO, maybe not). 'taint gonna be pretty though.


One of the advantages of being a Christian is that I believe that one day God will return and set things right (hell, maybe even with pizzas to feed the multitudes).

[Jutt]

ALL states will eventually fall, IMO. Real patriots are up against an unstoppable monster. The only chance there is for this country to ever return to its original design would require a second Revolution. And there's a better chance of seeing God himself come with a bunch of pizzas than there is of a Revolution. This country is doomed, us peons don't have a chance against the Power Elite that are running things.

I hear ya Ron. With the left controlling the schools, media, courts and political seats and perhaps more disheartening, a majority shift in our country's worldview that sees liberalism as a benefit to society, I'm afraid it will take some sort of event whether nature/act of God or otherwise to knock this country back to its core.
I joke with my wife that in 30 years, I won't have to worry about retirement because I'll probably be locked away in some state funded gulag in Kansas.