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    I don't believe Kefalas is a lost cause. I think he can be swayed but I don't think we have enough time.

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    They don't want anyone talking about the bills? I guess they don't want to deal with the gravity of their actions. Recall/vote out all of them.

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    Probably 90% of the time was spent talking gun issues, with the rest on fracking. Kefalas voted against the CCW ban but is still in favor of the others. He still wants to hear from us, although I think the chance is slight for as change "I've already committed" slipped out in conversation. Cogent, data-based arguments on the specifics of how these laws won't work have the best chance of persuasion.

    The meeting structure itself was frustrating, as questions were requested to be written down and read (and only occassionally answered) by one of the three Democrats. I was expecting more of a back and forth discussion. I didn't get a cogent answer to any of the three questions of mine that were read:


    1. HB 1224--Limiting the size of magazines
      Requires that the preferred defense of the citizenry be to tackle a gunman while reloading.
      1. How many six year olds does it take to tackle a gunman? In Sandy Ridge, no amount
      2. How many high school students? At Columbine, no amount
      3. How many college students? At Virginia Tech, no amount
      4. How many church-goers? In Aurora, none. One sane person with a better sight picture ended that.
      5. How many Senators? None, because they have extensive armed security. Fischer read it and had no response at all, even when I broke protocol, risking the harsh glances of the self-appointed hall monitor, to ask him directly.

    2. I followed that up with "Why does your gun free zone at the Capitol have armed security but my kids' gun free zone has nothing?". A long spiel praising the efforts of the State Troopers who protect the 'People's House', including a incident where an armed man had to be killed by the SPs. For my kids, there are better ways than making an armed camp out of the schools. I'll be damn sure following up with this one, as the armed camp seems to work for the officials but other methods failed pretty badly at Sand Hook and Virginia Tech.
    3. Fischer, who is a true douche, read "Why does my wife's educator background check last for five years but my gun purchase background check doesn't?" DB said "I don't know" and tossed it away.
    4. My last question, which didn't get read due to lack of time, was simply "If these bills pass, how much civil disobedience do you expect?"
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    Sane person with a better sight picture

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim View Post
    Nice. Luckily the R open meet in loveland,was cancelled. What irritates me (to be polite) is how every D says they are voting based on their constituents input . To date Public Opinion (not the media's) has us Pro Gun Folk running 90% + Against any gun laws. Good luck, hope you get to speak and a BIG Thanks for having your kids with you. Our daughter learned very early the respect needed when it came to guns. Now she's received almost as many guns from me as her mother.
    Thanks Jim. I want this sort of thing to be second nature for them. I was not taught about doing this in school or by my parents. I'll admit, the first trip to the Capitol was very uncomfortable. But it will get easier the more I do it. It's important that they know and understand this process.

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