Do you oppose Senate Bill 13-195? If so, why?

[Teufelhund]

I understand the opposition to most of the Bills being debated in the Senate but there is one which I thought that people on both sides of the gun debate would embrace. This is Senate Bill 13-195 which would put an end to online training for concealed-carry permits.

Over the years I have taken (and given) several CCW courses and, though I have learned a lot from every instructor, there are some courses that have focused a lot of attention on "the gun fight" but have completely ignored topics such as legal ramifications and Criminal/Civil Liabilities. Personally, I would like to see concealed-carry classes in Colorado standardized (like they are in states like Utah) where every instructor is teaching the same material and which requires the student to demonstrate not just proficiency in the use of a firearm, but also a course that thoroughly discuses topics such as situational awareness and conflict avoidance.

Most of the on-line courses that I have seen are nothing more than a regurgitation of the NRA First Steps course which, at best, offers only basic marksmanship skill. The other great limitation that I see with on-line courses is that the student's questions can go unanswered.

So, back on topic, do you oppose Senate Bill 13-195? If so, why?

Tell me which of our other rights require a permission slip.

[cysoto]

Tell me which of our other rights require a permission slip.

If I understand your questions correctly, you are implying that the Second Amendment guarantees the right of the individual to carry concealed weapons; is that right?

[00tec]

If I understand your questions correctly, you are implying that the Second Amendment guarantees the right of the individual to carry concealed weapons; is that right?

Damn skippy.

Keep and BEAR

Whether I have it in my house, car, hip, or under my shirt, the 2nd guarantees me the right to bear my weapon.

[WETWRKS]

If I understand your questions correctly, you are implying that the Second Amendment guarantees the right of the individual to carry concealed weapons; is that right?

I don't believe the founding fathers cared if a weapon was carried concealed or openly. They said that your right to be armed shall not be infringed. That includes in public...concealed or openly.

[Goodburbon]

If I understand your questions correctly, you are implying that the Second Amendment guarantees the right of the individual to carry concealed weapons; is that right?

It quite clearly guarantees the right of the individual to keep and bear arms, free from infringement. Determining the method of carry, capacity of carry, conditions of carry, locations of carry, permissable ammunition of carry (i.e. "copkillers") are clearly violations of the spirit of the law. Yet here we are, willing to accept that certain methods of carrying certain weapons are not legal as arbitrarily determined by the government that usurps our constitution incrementally.

Anyone who argues otherwise is making excuses for that oppressive government.

[Teufelhund]

If I understand your questions correctly, you are implying that the Second Amendment guarantees the right of the individual to carry concealed weapons; is that right?

It wasn't really a question, but yes, that is what I mean. The Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, without restriction.

While I think training is a great idea for everyone, according to the letter of the highest law of the land, the Constitution, it is illegal for the government to require it.

[Goodburbon]

If I understand your questions correctly, you are implying that the Second Amendment guarantees the right of the individual to carry concealed weapons; is that right?

I responded to a question put forth by the OP, apparently this is wrong to do?

I'm not exactly sure what it is you think "us guys" want. My position is... if you are going to be doing firearms training... I'm not sure why anyone would really want to not get hands on and up-close and personal in that training. It has nothing to do with the government, big government or anything else for that matter. All I've said is I find it out that people would rather sit in front of a computer than get out and get hands on with the training they have to take. I guess with today's video-game generation... it somewhat makes sense. But I find range time MUCH more enjoyable than Call of Duty on the XBOX. Maybe that is just me.

For my wife. 2 kids at home, 60 miles from the nearest training courses. It is time and cost prohibitive for her to pay a sitter all day and pay for the fuel plus the cost of the course, ad nauseum. She's had her CCW in LA, mistakenly sent in her certificate instead of a copy of the cert, There's no reason for any course at this point, but an online course is more than sufficient and much more accessible.