List of places no one should be allowed to possess a firearm:

[Irving]

It's my position that anytime you have been disarmed by firearm prohibition at any public facility, whomever made the decision to prohibit self defense is now liable or responsible for the people's safety at their facility.

If somebody that usually carries gets attacked going to and from a sports stadium, I would support litigation against that entity for taking away a permit holders ability to protect themselves. NFL, MLB and each facility be it Sports Authority or Coors Field has now assumed the responsibility for your protection by not allowing you to carry or providing a place to store your gun when at the game. CCW holders have been every bit as scrutinized and background checked as the average police officer that is carrying inside that same facility.

I have had to suspend carrying this entire year at the Rockies games, because of the metal detectors. Never felt a need to be armed during the game inside the stadium. I always feel completely vulnerable when walking to and from the game. Have bought ticket packages every year for over ten years. I thought would try it for this one year, this was the last year I will buy Rockies tickets.

Sort of a hot button issue with me, sorry for the mini rant. I just can't stand arbitrary Gun Spree Zones.

The reality is that this would never be successful, nor would you want it to be.

[hurley842002]

CCW holders have been every bit as scrutinized and background checked as the average police officer that is carrying inside that same facility.

I agree with all of your rant except this part. The average police officer goes thru much more than a CCW permit holder. Poly, psych, home visits, family/friends/neighbors interviewed etc. With that said it's not really relevant, as I believe in constitutional carry.

[Irving]

Not to mention continuous performance reviews. But alas, I agree with Hurley.

[BushMasterBoy]

The International Space Station...

[HoneyBadger]

Private property without the explicit consent of the property owner?

[Great-Kazoo]

Bars and casinos. Intoxication and gambling just don't mix with firearms well.

. Didn't have an issue in vegas or reno. Then again, the last thing i wanted was attention / scrutiny. OTOH: The girl trying to sell me meth was funny.

[hurley842002]

Bars and casinos. Intoxication and gambling just don't mix with firearms well.

So because the likelihood of some drunk schmuck starting an incident is higher, I shouldn't be able to protect myself? That makes a lot of sense. Some people just can't leave NY thinking in NY.

ETA: I don't frequent bars or gamble, the closest thing I get to a bar is Old C's or Buffalo wild wings if I'm feeling wild, and obviously don't drink if carrying. Hell, I don't make it a habit to drink outside the house much anymore.

[Big E3]

I was just trying to point out that CCW holders have been vetted and are not just any Joe Shmoe with a gun. I do realize that police are further evaluated that the average CCW, my point is that both are scrutinized.

I believe you should be allowed to carry most anywhere by just showing your permit. When was the last time any of us permit holder was asked to see proof that we have one? And when did showing that permit allow us to carry when others are prohibited. The general public doesn't seem to afford a permit holder any further privileges than the average gangbanger.

I don't see the downside of holding anyone that takes away our right to defend our selves being held liable when we are attacked after they've disarmed us. I believe that it sets precedence that anybody that operates an open to the public facility can disarm law bidding people by simply posting a sign. It wont take long before having a CCW will only be effective as long as you are in your car. I believe allowing any public facility to disarm CCW holders undermines the entire privilege of being permit holder. If we were a constitutional carry state I may have a different view on this but I believe the permit should afford special privilege. I believe that as long as a state has a permit process the privileges that permit affords should not be allowed to be removed by anybody other than the governing body involved in issuing said permit.

If a business does not want permit holders to carry they can operate in another state. I know that is a decision that most people here want every private business owner to make. I disagree, even as a business owner you don't have the right to disarm me as long as I have satisfied the requirements of this state to carry a gun. We already have carry laws pertaining to government buildings, alcohol, public transportation etc. I believe to prohibit anyone to carry in your business you need to show cause and acquire written approval from the governing body that issued the permit. Having a business comes with certain requirements and allowing permit holders to carry should be one of those requirements that you have to deal with.

[HoneyBadger]

If a business does not want permit holders to carry they can operate in another state. I know that is a decision that most people here want every private business owner to make. I disagree, even as a business owner you don't have the right to disarm me as long as I have satisfied the requirements of this state to carry a gun. We already have carry laws pertaining to government buildings, alcohol, public transportation etc. I believe to prohibit anyone to carry in your business you need to show cause and acquire written approval from the governing body that issued the permit. Having a business comes with certain requirements and allowing permit holders to carry should be one of those requirements that you have to deal with.

This statement is ridiculous. Do you think you should be allowed to tresspass as well, since you have a CCW?

Businesses do not have "the right to disarm me", you, or anyone... They do have certain controls over their private property, the same way that you can control who enters your home with a weapon. If you don't like their policy, then don't give them your business. A CCW permit is not some "God card" that somehow means you can trample the rights of other people.

[zteknik]

So because the likelihood of some drunk schmuck starting an incident is higher, I shouldn't be able to protect myself? That makes a lot of sense. Some people just can't leave NY thinking in NY.

ETA: I don't frequent bars or gamble, the closest thing I get to a bar is Old C's or Buffalo wild wings if I'm feeling wild, and obviously don't drink if carrying. Hell, I don't make it a habit to drink outside the house much anymore.

NY thinking not applied here. Just going by personal experiences. I mean hell if you are responsible enough to carry then you shouldnt be drinking, but I shouldnt make a blanket assumption that if your in a bar your drinking.