List of places no one should be allowed to possess a firearm:

[HoneyBadger]

Ok, I'll give this one more try. It is my point that people regardless of how much money they have, should not be allowed to keep me from legally protecting myself. That has nothing to do with what our piece of shit president believes. And really you think "No shirt, No shoes, No business" is the equivalent to having something in your pocket that nobody can see. Having a gun in your pocket is like being gay, as long as no one knows, nobody is uncomfortable.

Having a legally carried gun is right that SHOULD not be revoked by any individual any more than being gay or black and walking into a public business can be revoked by an individual business owner. Being denied to CCW in a business is every bit as prejudice as preventing a gay from entering. While you here and we as a society don't currently want to allow CCW to be outside the purview of private property owners. So for the 35th time, I THINK IT'S WRONG. I know now you guys don't agree, but I don't think that my position makes me a liberal. This is all about my opinion, this not about me misunderstanding the existing law. I realize I'm going this position alone but it's what I believe.

Nobody is keeping you from legally protecting yourself. If you don't like somebody's rules about guns and you don't feel that you'll be able to adequately protect yourself if the nee arises, then stay off their property. YOU are making the choice to limit your legal protection by voluntarily entering their property. YOU are choosing to play ball in someone else's court with their rules. Don't like the rules? Go play somewhere else. Don't like the "no guns" sign at the movie theater? Go somewhere else. You ALWAYS have a choice.


You are trying to protect what is yours, and so are they. You may not agree with their methods. There may be piles of statistics and loads of studies that show that their methods aren't going to work. That's irrelevant because it's their property and if you want to be on their property, you need to follow their rules.

Side note - this is not at all related to discrimination for age, race, gender identity issues, etc. Those have been legally determined to be variables that an individual inherently has and cannot control. You can control whether or not you want to bring a gun (or any object) into a store.

ETA: Just a quick note here:

I do to, and I appreciate the argument, but at the end of the day, other rights exist as well. There will always be the issue of my right trumps your right, and in some cases it does, but not always. I believe my right to be healthy and smoke free, trumps your right to enjoy that cig, some municipalities/establishments agree, some don't. It is what it is, and that's another topic.

I understand the emotion of Ed's argument, and I think I understand your sentiment here, but by definition, the rights of one individual cannot trump the rights of another. I had a really long-winded explanation here, but it got a little incoherent so I'll just leave it at that. Frederic Bastiat's "The Law" as well as John Locke's "Two Treatises on Government" lay a good foundation here and our constitution was specifically written with Locke's works in mind.