In other CO legislative news- CO General Assembly Passes Civil Unions Bill

[Irving]

You are new to the site, so I will explain again. That filibuster was what got the Republicans swept out of office. Not marijuana legislation, not energized new voters etc.

[davsel]

You are new to the site, so I will explain again. That filibuster was what got the Republicans swept out of office. Not marijuana legislation, not energized new voters etc.

Let me see if I have this straight:
Republicans kept the Civil Union bill from passing last year.
The public got upset and voted Democrats into office because of this.
Democrats passed gun control bills.
I am responsible.

Sounds plausible to me, but hey, I am "new to this site" and all.

In the end, I will never give up my morality in order to appease the general public's fragile sensibilities.
Guilty as charged!

[Irving]

Gays can marry and your morals can remain unchanged at the same time. Similarly, the Country Music Awards and Hip Hop Awards can co-exist with little interference between the two.

[davsel]

Gays can marry and your morals can remain unchanged at the same time. Similarly, the Country Music Awards and Hip Hop Awards can co-exist with little interference between the two.

Certainly true.
I am not concerned about my morals changing, but with societies morals changing.
I am simply expressing my moral beliefs.
Some will hear, most will not, but I will continue to my last breath, God willing.
Others wish to shout down my morals and tell me I must accept what is immoral, or that I should just keep quiet. I will not.

[mtnhack]

Certainly true. I am not concerned about my morals changing, but with societies morals changing. I am simply expressing my moral beliefs. Some will hear, most will not, but I will continue to my last breath, God willing. Others wish to shout down my morals and tell me I must accept what is immoral, or that I should just keep quiet. I will not.

So here is the crux of it, you wish to impart your morals on the society and any divergence from your morals is determined to be the prophetic downfall of civilization.
Yes, you can vote to try to push a moral agenda, or any other agenda, and I am glad we theoretically live in a country where this is allowed and encouraged. But don't be surprised when the same system that gaurantees your freedom to have a religion that your moral foundation is based upon, then affords someone else a privelage that you deem unworthy or immoral by the same voting.
I don't have a dog in the fight and could give 2 shts less either way. But wasting government time and money trying to regulate the things people do that has zero impact on others is what is really pointless. Smoke weed, but contribute to the society, fine. Live a ethical and honorable life, but marry (civil union, whatever) the same sex, who cares? It's the removing of our rights that should have everyone up in arms. The rights are what are common for every law abiding American. Everything else is just more fodder from the divide and conquuer playbook.

[Epyon]

So here is the crux of it, you wish to impart your morals on the society and any divergence from your morals is determined to be the prophetic downfall of civilization.
Yes, you can vote to try to push a moral agenda, or any other agenda, and I am glad we theoretically live in a country where this is allowed and encouraged. But don't be surprised when the same system that gaurantees your freedom to have a religion that your moral foundation is based upon, then affords someone else a privelage that you deem unworthy or immoral by the same voting.
I don't have a dog in the fight and could give 2 shts less either way. But wasting government time and money trying to regulate the things people do that has zero impact on others is what is really pointless. Smoke weed, but contribute to the society, fine. Live a ethical and honorable life, but marry (civil union, whatever) the same sex, who cares? It's the removing of our rights that should have everyone up in arms. The rights are what are common for every law abiding American. Everything else is just more fodder from the divide and conquuer playbook.

Thank you! Hatred and bigotry won't solve the bigger problems the government keeps throwing onto the people. If we are to get anywhere as a nation, people have to get along peacefully. I would happily educate a homosexual on their 2nd Amendment rights, the same would go for an ethnic minority who has become a US citizen. I've met plenty of people from all religions living peacefully bothering no one who are willing to help me uphold my right to bear arms even if they themselves don't believe in gun ownership.

[Trisha]

The davesels in the shooting community make it difficult to feel comfortable shooting alone in controlled ranges because I wear a gay pride pin everywhere to be visible as a reference to dismantle stereotypes. On my old denim jacket there was an American flag, and beneath it, a rainbow flag. On the lapel were my GOA pin and pagan (wiccan) pin (it's the religion of my ancestors, not the modern thing).

I wear only the gay pride pin and the GOA pin now.

I dress very modestly - it's easier to CCW and have layers.

Hate is so easy, such a cop-out. The sheer numbers of GLBT in EMS, in LE, in the military that I personally know who celebrate the beginning of basic legal equality for civil unions number in the dozens - and I am a stay-at-home housewife. It isn't about intercourse, it's about who you love, to the exclusion of all others. That's the core of a family. Since government is in the business of having special benefits for hetero married couples, then the reality of a civil union for gay couples is equable from an administrative perspective if the values of stable families are deemed significant enough to elevate above those granted all others.

I get that some religious folks will hemorrhage over it.

It comes with the territory of not living a lie.

[davsel]

The davesels in the shooting community make it difficult to feel comfortable shooting alone in controlled ranges because I wear a gay pride pin everywhere to be visible as a reference to dismantle stereotypes.

Speaking of stereotypes, at no point an any of my posts, here or elsewhere, did I ever speak of hating anyone.

First law: Love God
Second: Love everyone as yourself

Not all "religious types" are hate-filled Westboro Baptist followers. I have often stood between Phelps and funeral attendees as a Patriot Guard Rider.
I have a very close lesbian LE friend and several lesbian acquaintances (through my wife's work), and more than one gay family member. I was friends with several homosexuals while serving 21 years in the USAF (during a time when it was a private matter). I try to love 'em all. I do not agree with their lifestyle, and they know this. Hate does not come into the equation.

You will be perfectly safe wearing your gay pride pin in my presence. I will not even bring up the subject. However, if you bring it up, I will openly share my beliefs. Take 'em or leave 'em. Agreeing to disagree is no problem for me. Some will hear, most will not.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Speaking of stereotypes, at no point an any of my posts, here or elsewhere, did I ever speak of hating anyone.

First law: Love God
Second: Love everyone as yourself

Not all "religious types" are hate-filled Westboro Baptist followers. I have often stood between Phelps and funeral attendees as a Patriot Guard Rider.
I have a very close lesbian LE friend and several lesbian acquaintances (through my wife's work), and more than one gay family member. I was friends with several homosexuals while serving 21 years in the USAF (during a time when it was a private matter). I try to love 'em all. I do not agree with their lifestyle, and they know this. Hate does not come into the equation.

You will be perfectly safe wearing your gay pride pin in my presence. I will not even bring up the subject. However, if you bring it up, I will openly share my beliefs. Take 'em or leave 'em. Agreeing to disagree is no problem for me. Some will hear, most will not.

You're asking them to keep their personal lives and opinions private.... Maybe you should follow your own advice and shut the hell up.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

33 posts is all it took for you to piss off half the board.... Good job, Obama voter.