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    The bill does not address kits or rebuilding. As long as the body (or I guess no part of the mag) has no date or a date earlier than July 1, 2013 you are good to go.

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    These laws are unconstitutional, and I will not comply.


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    Directly from the bill

    IF A PERSON WHO IS ALLEGED TO HAVE VIOLATED SUBSECTION
    (1) OF THIS SECTION ASSERTS THAT HE OR SHE IS PERMITTED TO LEGALLY
    POSSESS A LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH
    (a) OF THIS SUBSECTION(2),THE PROSECUTION HAS THE BURDEN OF PROOF TO
    REFUTE THE ASSERTION
    "I owned this magazine prior to July 1, 2013"

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    I love when laws are on the honor system. Makes perfect sense.
    Keep Calm and Carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newracer View Post
    Directly from the bill

    IF A PERSON WHO IS ALLEGED TO HAVE VIOLATED SUBSECTION
    (1) OF THIS SECTION ASSERTS THAT HE OR SHE IS PERMITTED TO LEGALLY
    POSSESS A LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH
    (a) OF THIS SUBSECTION(2),THE PROSECUTION HAS THE BURDEN OF PROOF TO
    REFUTE THE ASSERTION

    "I owned this magazine prior to July 1, 2013"
    This only helps to some extent. If you are charged with possession of a magazine, you will have two options:

    1. Accept the plea deal and the confiscation of your magazine and likely the firearm.
    2. Spend a ton of money to hire an attorney and defend yourself.

    Personally, I don't have the money to hire an attorney to defend myself against this shit!
    Last edited by MED; 03-13-2013 at 09:58.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MED View Post
    This only helps to some extent. If you are charged with possession of a magazine, you will have two options:

    1. Accept the plea deal and the confiscation of your magazine and likely the firearm.
    2. Spend a ton of money to hire an attorney and defend yourself.

    Personally, I don't have the money to hire an attorney to defend myself against this shit!
    This is what is going to happen with the DPD. It says prosecutor, which means that you have been cuffed and stuffed, or at the least had the mag pulled from you and you have been cited. I don't know any other way this is going to work. The smart thing is that cops, unless they see you swapping mags or have a post dated mag will follow the intent of the law and let you on your way. Dollars to donuts the DPD doesn't see it this way.

    Sad thing is that it will give us compelling stories to use to get it rescinded if DPD starts harrassing people. Hopefully some lawsuits will cure DPD of their fire arm phobia. Citizens have guns get used to it.

    The only AR15 used indisciminantly on the streets that I have heard of was used by an DPD officer who got his as in wringer for using mil ammo that he brought home from A-stan instead of the issued ammo.
    I'll stop buying black rifles when my wife stops buying black shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MED View Post
    This only helps to some extent. If you are charged with possession of a magazine, you will have two options:

    1. Accept the plea deal and the confiscation of your magazine and likely the firearm.
    2. Spend a ton of money to hire an attorney and defend yourself.

    Personally, I don't have the money to hire an attorney to defend myself against this shit!
    Yep. People think that last part, THE PROSECUTION HAS THE BURDEN OF PROOF TO REFUTE THE ASSERTION, is important. It is not. Do you really think that you will be able to stand in front of a judge sans lawyer and utter those words and get off?

    No way in hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBob View Post
    Sure, and we may still be able to keep our firearms but not the magazines and next the ammo AND COMPONENTS will be taxed so damn high that we won't be able to afford them. Get your reloading stuff before it is made illegal to use or even own em.
    Will you stand for that? or lie down I should say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davsel View Post
    These laws are unconstitutional, and I will not comply.
    Spoken like a BOSS we need more like you. Most here will give it all up for cable TV and McDonalds.

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    Should we start flooding our local district attorney's email/phone lines asking for how this will be interpreted?
    pondering....
    Anyways,
    4th Judicial District is Dan May. no email, just phone lines:
    http://www.4thjudicialda.com/About4.aspx

    The Facebook thingy:
    https://www.facebook.com/4thjudicialda

    not sure what it would do other than piss his office off but I would like the 'what ifs' answered.
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