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[DaBull]

Peoples Socialist Paradise of Kolorado.

[Big E3]

Everybody needs to just treat all mags under 15 rounds as legal and stop acting like they "could" be illegal. If everyone treats all mags as illegal then that becomes the norm. If everyone with 15 and less rounds treats them as legal then that becomes the norm. When we throw in the towel and say all my mags are illegal they win. I say hold them to the intent of the law that 15 or less is legal unless you have converted it to hold more. That's like saying my AR15 is illegal because I have a machine shop and it could be converted to full auto.

[Ronin13]

Everybody needs to just treat all mags under 15 rounds as legal and stop acting like they "could" be illegal. If everyone treats all mags as illegal then that becomes the norm. If everyone with 15 and less rounds treats them as legal then that becomes the norm. When we throw in the towel and say all my mags are illegal they win. I say hold them to the intent of the law that 15 or less is legal unless you have converted it to hold more. That's like saying my AR15 is illegal because I have a machine shop and it could be converted to full auto.

THIS!
I keep seeing all this doom and gloom talk of "ANY magazine can be converted, no matter what..." No, not really. But thanks for playing. I'm pretty sure if it is more than 15 rounds then that's what will be gone from the shelves, nothing more.

[SideShow Bob]

And , just exactly where are supposed to get these 15 round magazi es for an AR or AK ?
This "hi cap mag ban" is basically a de facto 10 round limit. I have yet to see any manufacturer offering a 15 round magazine.
So after this becomes law, any AR or AK purchased will have a 10 round magazine come with it. Anyone that buys a new rifle when this is law is S.O.L. Unless they stocked up on 20 and 30 round mags before they even own a firearm to use them in.

[Dave]

And , just exactly where are supposed to get these 15 round magazi es for an AR or AK ?
This "hi cap mag ban" is basically a de facto 10 round limit. I have yet to see any manufacturer offering a 15 round magazine.
So after this becomes law, any AR or AK purchased will have a 10 round magazine come with it. Anyone that buys a new rifle when this is law is S.O.L. Unless they stocked up on 20 and 30 round mags before they even own a firearm to use them in.

I picked up a few .308 pmags even though I don't own an AR-10 just in case I get one down the road.

[kidicarus13]

Everybody needs to just treat all mags under 15 rounds as legal and stop acting like they "could" be illegal. If everyone treats all mags as illegal then that becomes the norm. If everyone with 15 and less rounds treats them as legal then that becomes the norm. When we throw in the towel and say all my mags are illegal they win. I say hold them to the intent of the law that 15 or less is legal unless you have converted it to hold more. That's like saying my AR15 is illegal because I have a machine shop and it could be converted to full auto.

Agreed. A lot of people afraid of a lot of things.

[Teufelhund]

Everybody needs to just treat all mags under 15 rounds as legal and stop acting like they "could" be illegal. If everyone treats all mags as illegal then that becomes the norm. If everyone with 15 and less rounds treats them as legal then that becomes the norm. When we throw in the towel and say all my mags are illegal they win. I say hold them to the intent of the law that 15 or less is legal unless you have converted it to hold more. That's like saying my AR15 is illegal because I have a machine shop and it could be converted to full auto.

Pretending it doesn't apply to magazines smaller than 15-rounds doesn't necessarily make it so. Interpret the law as you please I guess. This is what it says:

10 (2) (a) "LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE MEANS:
11 (I) A FIXED OR DETACHABLE MAGAZINE, BOX, DRUM, FEED STRIP,
12 OR SIMILAR DEVICE CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING, OR THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE
13 READILY CONVERTED TO ACCEPT, MORE THAN FIFTEEN ROUNDS OF
14 AMMUNITION;

......

13 18-12-302. Large-capacity magazines prohibited - penalties -
14 exceptions. (1) (a) EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED IN THIS SECTION, ON
15 AND AFTER JULY 1,2013, A PERSON WHO SELLS, TRANSFERS, OR POSSESSES
16 A LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE COMMITS A CLASS 2 MISDEMEANOR.

[Ronin13]

Pretending it doesn't apply to magazines smaller than 15-rounds doesn't necessarily make it so. Interpret the law as you please I guess. This is what it says:

Actually... with the wishy washy, slippery slope language, you can argue both sides:
"CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING, OR THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE
13 READILY CONVERTED TO ACCEPT"
I see that as any magazine that readily, by manufacturer, accepts 15 rounds (IE: Your standard Glock 22 .40S&W Magazine that comes standard holding 15 rounds STOCK)... it wasn't "designed" to be "converted" to accept any more, but that option is available via an extender. It was "designed" to hold 15 rounds, no more... if it had been designed to be converted, they wouldn't have put the small holes in the back of the magazine that show the round count. JMHO...

[Teufelhund]

Actually... with the wishy washy, slippery slope language, you can argue both sides:
"CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING, OR THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE
13 READILY CONVERTED TO ACCEPT"
I see that as any magazine that readily, by manufacturer, accepts 15 rounds (IE: Your standard Glock 22 .40S&W Magazine that comes standard holding 15 rounds STOCK)... it wasn't "designed" to be "converted" to accept any more, but that option is available via an extender. It was "designed" to hold 15 rounds, no more... if it had been designed to be converted, they wouldn't have put the small holes in the back of the magazine that show the round count. JMHO...

I agree it's hard to know for sure. The language demonstrates the ignorance of the authors. It really comes down to whether or not "designed to be converted" means "has a removable baseplate."

[Ronin13]

I agree it's hard to know for sure. The language demonstrates the ignorance of the authors. It really comes down to whether or not "designed to be converted" means "has a removable baseplate."

See again, that's awful presumptuous on behalf of the CO Dems... Just because the baseplate is removable doesn't mean it was designed to be converted. What about maintenance and cleaning? Really hard to replace a magazine spring unless the baseplate is removable. You have to look at this objectively. I know it can be enforced "This has a baseplate, therefore is was designed to be converted to hold extra rounds." Not exactly, it was designed to be disassembled, that's all that means.