Thoughts on Bar carry.

[TFOGGER]

If I were working as a bouncer (damned unlikely, as I'm not that big), I'd be inclined to carry IWB/tuckable, and have a less lethal option available, like a stun gun or taser carried discreetly but openly on my person, along with something like a tee ball bat under the bar counter.

[sniper7]

Always have more firepower than you need to. You can use less force than what you have on hand, but you are not able to use more force if it isn't available. For his situation I wold recommend a retaining type holster so in the event of a bar fight or confrontation the gun is much less accessible to the other guy.

Also have him think about the amount of non-targets in that environment and if he were to shoot someone the chance that other people would be hurt is much higher. Also as the owner of the bar what kind of insurance to protect himself if he were to injure a bystander.

[buckshotbarlow]

getting drunk in bar while packing, extremely bad idea.

Rich Wyatt doesn't have a problem getting sloshed and bragging about his pos 1911 on his hip at certain NRA functions...What a tard

[firefighter238]

Rich Wyatt doesn't have a problem getting sloshed and bragging about his pos 1911 on his hip at certain NRA functions...What a tard

Yup and look where it got him!

[Shiro]

I would encourage carry, I would be very, very careful about what situation would result in a draw.

[Rabid]

The first sentence is fine. The rest of it says nothing about my questions. It has nothing to do about my son drinking and carrying. I would say this horse isn't dead yet and your post is BS.

If that is not the pot calling the kettle black i do not know what is. That was the first thing i thought of after reading your original post too. However there is no reason he should not carry as long as he knows his rights, the laws and the both the legal and social ramifications if he does draw it. I also agree that an ankle holster is not the best choice in the situations he is most likely to face.

[CO303]

OK. Legally he can carry at his place of work if his employer gives him permission. Open or concealed, once again is the owner's decision. If he chooses to use the weapon in any given senario, his actions will be open to question by police or jury like any other shooting event. Keep in mind, using a firearm should be your last and most desparte alternative. The presence of slcohol in the bar makes it worse. The idea of him drinking could shift the potential outcomes. He has to make a choice.

[nontactical]

I also agree that an ankle holster is not the best choice in the situations he is most likely to face.

This is actually one of the few situations in which I think that ankle carry is a great option. Having managed several bars and restaurants, I found that I would occasionally have to "bounce" someone. 99% of the time, this is not a big deal. But drunks will occasionally grab at you, etc. The last thing that you want in that situation is for someone to feel your gun on your hip. They are not very likely to come in contact with your ankle. While draw time from an ankle holster sucks, there are a lot of positions in a restaurant (for example, behind the bar) where kneeling down to grab your gun would make perfect sense. For me, ankle carry was the most viable alternative for bouncing people physically but having the gun there if it came to it. Something else to consider, if you are a decent restaurant/bar manager, you will eventually have a lot of people wanting to hug you "hello" and "goodbye." More than you want, actually. Another good reason to move the gun to where it won't accidentally be found.

[mackbamf]

There are a lot of landmines in this scenario. If a fight breaks out there is a good chance that you are going to be in a situation where you have people in very close proximity on all sides. Your hands might be busy in front of you, say someone bumps into you or grabs you from behind and realizes you have a gun. When drunk people tend to make very poor decisions, maybe they normally wouldn't try and grab for the gun but with their impairment maybe they do. They may not even be a participant in the fight, realize you have a weapon and go for it. Maybe you go to the ground breaking up or being pulled into the fight and your weapon comes out and a drunk gets a hold of it? If he then shoots someone with your weapon will you then be liable? Also, like has already been mentioned, can you really draw in a crowded room without becoming a huge liability yourself? I'm not saying that you for sure don't want to be carrying but I believe you could easily find yourself on the wrong side of a very thin line. Unless there is a real concern that a patron is going to pull a knife or a gun themselves a less lethal option such as a stun gun may prove the best option in this scenario.

[Irving]

Do what cops do when they work the bars, and use every other non-lethal weapon first. Works for them.