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Guns should be at the fucking checkout counter next to the cigarettes. Nobody under 18 without parental permission. No further restriction necessary. And yes, I mean all guns - full auto, silencers, 12" shotguns.
well saidOriginally Posted by HBARleatherneck
The problem is that the agenda controlling this incremental takeover is not going to be dissuaded by bootstrap, grassroots political statements and action. It is a global, insidious, metastatic evil which will not be removed by anything short of global disaster. We're not fighting the damnocrats... they're just a finger attached to the larger body of evil.
I don't live in a gentile world. I live in a rural mountain area. Problem is just what you're saying and the majority of people living in the cities ain't helping the cause, it'll only get worse for us as the metro populations continue to grow (outvoting us dramatically) and further pussifying the system we have to live under.
melvin is that you again? how many times do you have to be banned?
Does have a general air of sermon about it. No offense to the OP, but this is a sore subject for most of us here, and has been beaten to death. We're doing what we can thru legal channels to reverse the damage, stocking up on everything controversial we can get our hands on, and generally praying for Chicken Little to finally be right and turn us loose on the world...
Or maybe that's just me. :-)
Agreed. But "should" ain't gonna happen unless the tide reverses. I haven't proposed one thing here that takes away anyone's rights, just volunteer programs that fight the tide.
Nice connection! O no not another...........
how come your location says denver if you live in a rural mountain area..... like evergreen?
Hi guys/gals. Yeah I'm a newb on this forum, been around AR-15.com for a little while, but more of a lurker looking to learn as much as possible. Gun fan since I was 12, but frankly didn't grow up around many guns outside of the guns we used for hunting. Since then, I've definitely become the gun nut in the family and even moreso with the recent attack on our rights.
So, for a first post, I'd like to throw out some thoughts on concealed carry (CC) versus open carry (OC).
Having recently gone through the CC class with my spouse, I was somewhat brought back to thoughts I'd had years ago. These thoughts also lend toward others' thoughts on this forum in regard to the continuing non-gunner's attitude toward us. Why do we cower so much and choose to CC rather than exercise our rights to OC? I completely understand staying off the radar and not making yourself a target for anti-gun ire, or a target for some psycho at the wrong time, or a target for some cop who's had a bad day. I really get those points. BUT, had we and our predecessors chosen to OC more often over the years and communicate with those who don't understand, could the attitude toward carrying generally be very different?
There are always going to be a number of people who will never understand. I'd estimate that 10-20 years ago, that would be 20% of the population. So let's say, for debate's sake, that 80% of the population gets it, supports one or more well-trained sane people carrying in their presence or may be carrying themselves. Probably at least 75% of that 80% doesn't or never will carry, but could be swayed either direction if their confidence is increased in those carrying. Have we done ourselves any favors by hiding in the shadows? If handguns were a more accepted aspect of society, wouldn't we all be in a better position? Is it too late to change society's view of guns now, or could a different OC system be a way to slowly change perception?
A couple of suggested solutions to some of the existing issues:
1) Develop a system of training, much more stringent than the current CC classes, that provides the necessary (ongoing) training (and mental evaluation) to make a person an effective defender of the public and allows OC in any setting. The system of training itself should be funded by the individual (within a reasonable cost), developed by law enforcement, and there should be some way to easily identify that person's certification (a badge system)? This is a revenue opportunity for law enforcement at the city/county/state level, which politicians love. I suspect with enough participation that these "volunteer cops", something akin to volunteer firefighters but a little less demanding on time, would also lower the demands on law enforcement over a long period of time. These certified individuals can choose to CC or OC at their leisure. Retired law enforcement would be automatically certified.
2) On the issue of private firearm transactions, why can't we make it possible for the CBI (or other state organizations like it) to allow private use of its service? Another revenue opportunity for the state. If an individual purchasing a firearm were to sign-off on the use of CBI's background check for a firearm seller, maybe pay $10, how many of us would use it to confirm that the person buying our gun is legit? I would. I'd likely drop the price of the gun I'm selling by $10 for the peace of mind. The criminals won't use it, but it would help the more responsible gun owners in society to confirm their buyer isn't a bad guy. Seems like a heck of a lot of people on Armslist these days want to see a driver's license or CCW before selling. What the heck good does a driver's license do that person? A CBI check wouldn't solve all problems, but would damn sure help.
Keep in mind, I'm NOT proposing changing any of the existing CC regulations. I'm trying to change perception of the gun in society, which I believe would ultimately reinforce the 2nd and our way of lives.
So, G'HEAD, shoot holes in these thoughts.I can take it.
Youre one of those Libera type fellas, arent ya? Believe that regulation is the answer to all problems?
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