My my, look who came out out today........

[lowbeyond]

Like I said in my next post, rhetorical question to prove a point. I don't know how many times I hear exactly what you said by someone talking about 2A as he demonizes others who would want similar rights int he same sentence. In those statements you can switch the words around and it has the same meaning but they will never understand that.

If everyone would just STFU and MYOB, and not impose their preferences on other people, we would not have to deal with the Shit Stain Government, at all levels, we do now.

Are you Gay? That's Nice Who the Fuck Cares
Do you want to get married. Who the Fuck cares.
Do you want to own a gun. That's Nice who cares. Don't want one, well who cares spend your $ as you see fit.

Quite frankly, god only knows why the fuck the State is involved in a private mutual contract between two consenting adults in the first place, and why it has preferential (and sometimes not) Laws for those that are married. IOW it could just be, You want to get married? That is nice. Go to a flippin' Church. You want to a bundle of contracts with this person, ok fine we will call it "marriage" or civil unions, or whatever and there you go.

Instead of a bunch of contracts separately executed, you can just use that shorthand of "marriage" as it pertains to the State. But Noooooo. You cant have that, as people seemingly feel the need to Fuck With Their Neighbor becasue ya know Fuck Them! Be it marriage, or pot or Guns, or whatever the ZOMG the sky is falling issue if X does Y or possesses Z.

Nope can't just leave people free to choose, no You MUST impose your will on them becasue they do not wish to make the same choice as you, even if they have not harmed a soul, becasue Fuck Them! They are Dirty Gays, Dopers, Hippies, or Gun Owners , They will ruin society !!

Genius. Pure Genius

[Jer]

If everyone would just STFU and MYOB, and not impose their preferences on other people, we would not have to deal with the Shit Stain Government, at all levels, we do now.

Are you Gay? That's Nice Who the Fuck Cares
Do you want to get married. Who the Fuck cares.
Do you want to own a gun. That's Nice who cares. Don't want one, well who cares spend your $ as you see fit.

Quite frankly, god only knows why the fuck the State is involved in a private mutual contract between two consenting adults in the first place, and why it has preferential (and sometimes not) Laws for those that are married. IOW it could just be, You want to get married? That is nice. Go to a flippin' Church. You want to a bundle of contracts with this person, ok fine we will call it "marriage" or civil unions, or whatever and there you go.

Instead of a bunch of contracts separately executed, you can just use that shorthand of "marriage" as it pertains to the State. But Noooooo. You cant have that, as people seemingly feel the need to Fuck With Their Neighbor becasue ya know Fuck Them! Be it marriage, or pot or Guns, or whatever the ZOMG the sky is falling issue if X does Y or possesses Z.

Nope can't just leave people free to choose, no You MUST impose your will on them becasue they do not wish to make the same choice as you, even if they have not harmed a soul, becasue Fuck Them! They are Dirty Gays, Dopers, Hippies, or Gun Owners , They will ruin society !!

Genius. Pure Genius

Exactly. This exact sort of hypocrisy is alive and well on this particular forum and I've been ridiculed multiple times for trying to interject a little brevity into the conversation when it does rear it's ugly head.

[Ronin13]

If everyone would just STFU and MYOB, and not impose their preferences on other people, we would not have to deal with the Shit Stain Government, at all levels, we do now.

Are you Gay? That's Nice Who the Fuck Cares
Do you want to get married. Who the Fuck cares.
Do you want to own a gun. That's Nice who cares. Don't want one, well who cares spend your $ as you see fit.

Quite frankly, god only knows why the fuck the State is involved in a private mutual contract between two consenting adults in the first place, and why it has preferential (and sometimes not) Laws for those that are married. IOW it could just be, You want to get married? That is nice. Go to a flippin' Church. You want to a bundle of contracts with this person, ok fine we will call it "marriage" or civil unions, or whatever and there you go.

Instead of a bunch of contracts separately executed, you can just use that shorthand of "marriage" as it pertains to the State. But Noooooo. You cant have that, as people seemingly feel the need to Fuck With Their Neighbor becasue ya know Fuck Them! Be it marriage, or pot or Guns, or whatever the ZOMG the sky is falling issue if X does Y or possesses Z.

Nope can't just leave people free to choose, no You MUST impose your will on them becasue they do not wish to make the same choice as you, even if they have not harmed a soul, becasue Fuck Them! They are Dirty Gays, Dopers, Hippies, or Gun Owners , They will ruin society !!

Genius. Pure Genius

^What he said!
You have an interesting way of putting it... I like it!

[brobar]

If everyone would just STFU and MYOB, and not impose their preferences on other people, we would not have to deal with the Shit Stain Government, at all levels, we do now.

Are you Gay? That's Nice Who the Fuck Cares
Do you want to get married. Who the Fuck cares.
Do you want to own a gun. That's Nice who cares. Don't want one, well who cares spend your $ as you see fit.

Quite frankly, god only knows why the fuck the State is involved in a private mutual contract between two consenting adults in the first place, and why it has preferential (and sometimes not) Laws for those that are married. IOW it could just be, You want to get married? That is nice. Go to a flippin' Church. You want to a bundle of contracts with this person, ok fine we will call it "marriage" or civil unions, or whatever and there you go.

Instead of a bunch of contracts separately executed, you can just use that shorthand of "marriage" as it pertains to the State. But Noooooo. You cant have that, as people seemingly feel the need to Fuck With Their Neighbor becasue ya know Fuck Them! Be it marriage, or pot or Guns, or whatever the ZOMG the sky is falling issue if X does Y or possesses Z.

Nope can't just leave people free to choose, no You MUST impose your will on them becasue they do not wish to make the same choice as you, even if they have not harmed a soul, becasue Fuck Them! They are Dirty Gays, Dopers, Hippies, or Gun Owners , They will ruin society !!

Genius. Pure Genius

I can get behind this line of thinking! Too many people want to control other people they don't even know... but when people they don't know want to impose control(s) on them then they get all upset. I'm in the camp of LMTFA and I'll LYTFA! Marriage (man/woman, woman/woman, man/man) doesn't affect MY marriage one bit. If a term is what bothers you so much... put the term back in the church where some think it belongs and make everyone get a civil union instead. DONE. Next? I don't care if my next door neighbor has a gun. Matter of fact... I HOPE he does. I can only hope he or she feels the same way about me. They shouldn't care! Too many people sticking their nose in other people's business when we should leave lifestyle CHOICES (it is my choice to own/carry a gun... it is my choice to marry who I want) alone. I shouldn't have a say in what you can own/carry... how much you can carry... when you can carry... etc... and I shouldn't have a say in who you marry, when you marry, why you marry, etc...

[OneGuy67]

Let me preface this by saying I am not interested in the conversation as to whether this civil union is a good thing or not.

The issue surrounding this that I am concerned with, is the extra federal and state money that is going to be expended due to decisions like this. Currently, at the state employment level, same sex relationships are recognized for the purposes of health care. With this, disability payments will be extended to same sex as well, which will add to the drain of taxpayer provided funds. Eventually, civil unions will be recognized at the federal level and then SSI and SSDI be attached and paid out to those partners, which will be another drain on the taxpayer.

The more people we recognize for taxpayer funded "benefits", the more of a drain on the system and those who work to pay into that system.

[brobar]

Let me preface this by saying I am not interested in the conversation as to whether this civil union is a good thing or not.

The issue surrounding this that I am concerned with, is the extra federal and state money that is going to be expended due to decisions like this. Currently, at the state employment level, same sex relationships are recognized for the purposes of health care. With this, disability payments will be extended to same sex as well, which will add to the drain of taxpayer provided funds. Eventually, civil unions will be recognized at the federal level and then SSI and SSDI be attached and paid out to those partners, which will be another drain on the taxpayer.

The more people we recognize for taxpayer funded "benefits", the more of a drain on the system and those who work to pay into that system.

Well we could always just FLIP it. Give same sex couples benefits and stop giving benefits to non same sex couples. That should be less of a strain... don't ya think?

[Ronin13]

Let me preface this by saying I am not interested in the conversation as to whether this civil union is a good thing or not.

The issue surrounding this that I am concerned with, is the extra federal and state money that is going to be expended due to decisions like this. Currently, at the state employment level, same sex relationships are recognized for the purposes of health care. With this, disability payments will be extended to same sex as well, which will add to the drain of taxpayer provided funds. Eventually, civil unions will be recognized at the federal level and then SSI and SSDI be attached and paid out to those partners, which will be another drain on the taxpayer.

The more people we recognize for taxpayer funded "benefits", the more of a drain on the system and those who work to pay into that system.

I guess the silver lining could be that the sooner these get drained the sooner people figure out that those who relied on themselves instead of the government are going to survive...

[HBARleatherneck]

Let me preface this by saying I am not interested in the conversation as to whether this civil union is a good thing or not.

The issue surrounding this that I am concerned with, is the extra federal and state money that is going to be expended due to decisions like this. Currently, at the state employment level, same sex relationships are recognized for the purposes of health care. With this, disability payments will be extended to same sex as well, which will add to the drain of taxpayer provided funds. Eventually, civil unions will be recognized at the federal level and then SSI and SSDI be attached and paid out to those partners, which will be another drain on the taxpayer.

The more people we recognize for taxpayer funded "benefits", the more of a drain on the system and those who work to pay into that system.

so, are you saying two gay men dont both pay into social security? if you are saying that two gays who both work and pay into the system dont deserve the same as a heterosexual couple who does the same, then you are clearly part of the problem. this line of thinking is why republicans will never control shit again. they wont to push their religion based thinking on everyone else.

[Stvros]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but arent Queers taxpayers too ? If thats not fallacy then they've been getting the proverbial "shaft" by paying for benefits they could never collect.

[QUOTE=OneGuy67;1036043]Let me preface this by saying I am not interested in the conversation as to whether this civil union is a good thing or not.

The issue surrounding this that I am concerned with, is the extra federal and state money that is going to be expended due to decisions like this. Currently, at the state employment level, same sex relationships are recognized for the purposes of health care. With this, disability payments will be extended to same sex as well, which will add to the drain of taxpayer provided funds. Eventually, civil unions will be recognized at the federal level and then SSI and SSDI be attached and paid out to those partners, which will be another drain on the taxpayer.

The more people we recognize for taxpayer funded "benefits", the more of a drain on the system and those who work to pay into that system.[/QUOT

[OneGuy67]

Well we could always just FLIP it. Give same sex couples benefits and stop giving benefits to non same sex couples. That should be less of a strain... don't ya think?

That is true. I'm not against what you propose by any means.

I guess the silver lining could be that the sooner these get drained the sooner people figure out that those who relied on themselves instead of the government are going to survive...

Yup.

so, are you saying two gay men dont both pay into social security? if you are saying that two gays who both work and pay into the system dont deserve the same as a heterosexual couple who does the same, then you are clearly part of the problem. this line of thinking is why republicans will never control shit again. they wont to push their religion based thinking on everyone else.

Each of those people can and do get what they put into it as individuals; however, now you are adding spousal support to the roles as well. I never said anything about republicans or religion. Time to knock the chip off your shoulder.

[QUOTE=Stvros;1036065]Correct me if I'm wrong, but arent Queers taxpayers too ? If thats not fallacy then they've been getting the proverbial "shaft" by paying for benefits they could never collect.

They are and are due what they and everyone else put into it. However, there are benefits paid out to spouses currently (that I think should not be paid out to any spouse, hetero or not) that we will add to that pool of applicants.