Any Honest FFL Holders in Colorado Springs?

[Great-Kazoo]

Am I having a seizure or something... Under Brady don't you have to be a U.S. Citizen to buy/own guns?

COLO= Colorado
PR= Puerto Rico. SO ,COLO-PR is from both places.
Geography The U.S. and the smaller outlying islands, Like GU= GUAM. US Territories.

AND NO you don't have to be a U.S. Citizen to purchase a gun.

[colo-pr]

OP: You don't like your dealer's fees for transfers and mailing? Ask for a cheaper dealer and go somewhere else. Your mistake was asserting that the fee increase made the dealer dishonest.

ehhhh, this is not what i trying to do with this topic?

[colo-pr]

Am I having a seizure or something... Under Brady don't you have to be a U.S. Citizen to buy/own guns?

im trying to not understand that this is Racism Comment. You dont learn in the school that people of Puerto Rico are US Citizens like you? and have the same rights like you?

[colo-pr]

COLO= Colorado
PR= Puerto Rico. SO ,COLO-PR is from both places.
Geography The U.S. and the smaller outlying islands, Like GU= GUAM. US Territories.

AND NO you don't have to be a U.S. Citizen to purchase a gun.

ehhhhh, people of US Territories ARE US CITIZENS WHEN BORN!!!!!!

[hurley842002]

Am I having a seizure or something... Under Brady don't you have to be a U.S. Citizen to buy/own guns?

Wow foolishness at it's finest...

[sellersm]

If he's got an FFL it's a place to sell guns. So I'm guessing you've never bought any guns from this dealer. Asking the guy to order you a gun here and there would go a long way to maintaining a healthy business/customer relationship.

When I had my store I charged $25. If someone even occasionally bought guns from me I often did transfers for that person for free or a much smaller fee of $10. The store I deal with most often now does my transfers, even multiples, for free. Of course I also buy things there and don't bitch about prices. If I wanna buy it and it's a fair price, even if it's a little more than what I consider fair, I'll buy it. Because I know I'm saving some money in the long run with $0 transfers.

Just to clarify, the business in question in this thread isn't a "normal" gun store. He's pretty much just a FFL. He might sell firearms, but it's not really advertised as such. His main business is made in a different product line...

[Great-Kazoo]

ehhhhh, people of US Territories ARE US CITIZENS WHEN BORN!!!!!!

I Know, You Know, but some folks do not realize there are US citizens who are born somewhere else that the 50 United States. if you confuse them it gets worse. I mentioned the non-us citizens because you don't need to be a US citizen to purchase a firearm. Since the poster was not aware of that info either.



Algunas personas no tienen ni idea Si tienen que pensar más allá de los 50 Estados confunde

little rough on the espanoal / puerto ricano



Mi tía y tío eran de Río Piedras

[Boulderar15]

I'm not an FFL, and I know little about it.

Seems to me that we have a pissing match on our hands and we all know how those end up... Customer whining about FFL. FFL whining about customer.

IMO the below are legitimate things involved with a transfer. I'm putting guesstimates on these. I guess it would differ if you were using a computer or physical form.

• Accurately complete the form. 1-2 minutes
• Check the accuracy of the customer completed portion 10 seconds
• Log the gun as an acquistion 1 minute
• Log the disposition of the gun 1 minute
• Complete the background check. I'd change 'complete' to ' submit' 2 minutes?? Not sure on this one.
• Maintain the paperwork for many years. No time, very little cost. You should be keeping your biz records anyways so not a big deal..?
• Make the paperwork available to inspecting law enforcement office
• Potentially deal with traces that might result from the transaction

6 minutes? That fair for actual time spent? Lets just say it is 10 minutes. At $30 for a transfer you are valuing your time at $180/hour?!? Seems excessive for actual time spent.

These have nothing to do with a transfers. When you decide to run a business you decide to do these anyway. Especially dealing with the PITA customers.

• Comply with all local, state and federal laws
• Purchase the equipment to complete the BGC...phone, computer, etc...
• Pay the bills to power those computers
• Pay employees to assist (and supervise them to insure they do their jobs correctly)
• Pay for FFL licensing fees
• Pay local business license fees
• File tax forms on sales, including tax-exempt sales like BGCs
• Pay accountants and tax preparers
• Pay rent/mortgage
• Deal with PITA, whiny customers who bitch about how much it costs to do all of this

Beautiful thing is that the market will ultimately establish the price. He raised it. You are moving your biz.

[Great-Kazoo]

I'm not an FFL, and I know little about it.

Seems to me that we have a pissing match on our hands and we all know how those end up... Customer whining about FFL. FFL whining about customer.

IMO the below are legitimate things involved with a transfer. I'm putting guesstimates on these. I guess it would differ if you were using a computer or physical form.



6 minutes? That fair for actual time spent? Lets just say it is 10 minutes. At $30 for a transfer you are valuing your time at $180/hour?!? Seems excessive for actual time spent.

These have nothing to do with a transfers. When you decide to run a business you decide to do these anyway. Especially dealing with the PITA customers.



Beautiful thing is that the market will ultimately establish the price. He raised it. You are moving your biz.

Take the 10 minutes which you really low balled, multiply it by say 3. deduct the time spent of say 30 minutes, not including the actual paperwork involved, you know the log book and 4473 info. You spend by your Guestimate 10 min per (way off) take in to account everything being done in a store and that 10 min ( again low balled) detracts from the operation of the business.

Now with that being said, real time per transfer varies. You have customer A who OOPS put the state where county should be [new 4473] then forgets to sign back of form, hand it back. While doing the paperwork customer B ask you a question, the phone rings [must take call] as it's one of your vendors with a back order that was screwed up, etc etc etc

You remind me of a client who assumed because my hrly rate was $125 i was making out like a bandit. Once i explained that hrly was when working, being on commission, no income. Divide the $125 x 4 hours and no other work that week i made after shop rental a whopping $6.75 an hr,.
Same for transfers, that "money" gets eaten by everything else you put on hold to "get it right" An ATF audit catches a few of those and GFL.

[Boba Fett]

If you're in the military and stationed at or near Fort Carson, the Outdoor Recreation Complex on post offers an FFL transfer service.

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