Two more gun bills head to Colorado House

[ChunkyMonkey]

http://www.coloradoan.com/viewart/20...Colorado-House

DENVER (AP) — Proposals to change how people get concealed carry gun permits in Colorado and new restrictions on gun ownership for domestic-violence offenders will be up for consideration in the House.The proposals scheduled for committee votes Thursday have already cleared the Senate.
One proposal would allow some online gun education for permit-seekers, but would require at least some portions be taught in person. Another expands a ban on gun ownership for people convicted of certain domestic-violence offenses, or who are facing protection orders. They would have to relinquish firearms and ammunition.
Other bills that have already passed, including limits on ammunition magazines, have generated more controversy.
The two bills are part of the Democrats’ package of new gun legislation responding to mass shootings last year in Connecticut and suburban Denver.

[hatidua]

Where does "bearing arms" + "shall not be infringed" come into play with the various requisite hoops people are being asked to jump through?

Yes, I'm well aware that those who financially benefit from CCW training programs think this is just peachy, but isn't this putting undo burden on law abiding citizens who wish to exercise their rights?

[ChunkyMonkey]

Where does "bearing arms" + "shall not be infringed" come into play with the various requisite hoops people are being asked to jump through?

Yes, I'm well aware that those who financially benefit from CCW training programs think this is just peachy, but isn't this putting undo burden on law abiding citizens who wish to exercise their rights?

Same crap as some of store owners are supporting BGC.

[Wulf202]

Yes, I'm well aware that those who financially benefit from CCW training programs think this is just peachy, but isn't this putting undo burden on law abiding citizens who wish to exercise their rights?

There are many of us that benefit and are against this.

[Bailey Guns]

Where does "bearing arms" + "shall not be infringed" come into play with the various requisite hoops people are being asked to jump through?

Yes, I'm well aware that those who financially benefit from CCW training programs think this is just peachy, but isn't this putting undo burden on law abiding citizens who wish to exercise their rights?

I'm one that benefits from concealed carry training and you're wrong, as you have been when you've made this blanket statement before. Even though it would put a substantial dent in my annual income I'm an advocate of constitutional carry. Many other instructors on this site are against these types of laws as well.

So your "peachy" comment is as much bullshit as the hoops we have to jump through to exercise our gun rights.

[stevelkinevil]

I'm one that benefits from concealed carry training and you're wrong, as you have been when you've made this blanket statement before. Even though it would put a substantial dent in my annual income I'm an advocate of constitutional carry. Many other instructors on this site are against these types of laws as well.

So your "peachy" comment is as much bullshit as the hoops we have to jump through to exercise our gun rights.

Agreed. I too derive much of my income from firearms and CCW training. However I am all for constitutional carry. There may be some instructors who feel it's "peachy" but I don't know any.

[Ridge]

Another expands a ban on gun ownership for people convicted of certain domestic-violence offenses, or who are facing protection orders. They would have to relinquish firearms and ammunition

This is already federal law. It's a fucking waste of time and money to try to pass it again at state level.

[Kraven251]

This is already federal law. It's a fucking waste of time and money to try to pass it again at state level.

Except the DV statutes in CO make the federal level look friendly.

[Aloha_Shooter]

To be honest, the only reason I'm against the provision requiring some of the CCW training to be in person is because the Dems are pushing it and I therefore know it's just one more piece of gradualism

I've done a lot of computer-based training and in-person instruction (as both student and instructor). Frankly, I'm usually not impressed with CBT, especially for something as important as concealed carry

CBT works for stuff that is enhanced by repetition but the instructor (in this case, a computer) doesn't get any feedback to see if the student is really getting the material other than a some quizzes or a test at the end that could be forgotten as soon as s/he clicks "Next". Because of that, I'd probably support the in-person training requirement if it was pushed by someone I trusted like Maketa but I DON'T support it because I DON'T trust Morse or any of the other Democrats in Denver.

[Teufelhund]

Another expands a ban on gun ownership for people convicted of certain domestic-violence offenses, or who are facing protection orders.

Does this mean anyone can file a restraining order against anyone else, resulting in the second person losing their RTKABA, even without a criminal conviction? Sorry, how is that Constitutional again?