Differences and similarities of civilian competition and combat shooting

[Professor Frink]

I've always been of the opinion that the modern 1911 is not what Mr. Browning ever wanted or designed. I have a WWI era 1911 Colt and a WWII era 1911a1 Remington. They both are loose, sloppy, have poor sights by todays standards, and if you shake them hard enough, they will rattle. However, they will consistently put 230 grain ball into about 4" inches at 25 feet which I think is just great. Its the tightening-up of the design that makes them problematic.

This is only my opinion.

Either way, you have to run what you brung to whatever curcumstance you find yourself in.

[buckshotbarlow]

Sweet more drama...I thunk that the author is right...Kimber sucks period! I'll take my 40 year old colt that has more rattles then my kids toys and carry it, but my glock/mp/airlight has to have a reason not to be in the holster first...

kid just repeated me on the BS flag...daddy what is BullSH*T

[Hoser]

Stuff like this always makes me laugh.

My gun rules and your gun sucks.

[275RLTW]

With your Cherry Creek based SOCOM Unit.

Unless you can tell me when you went to selection I don't think you're in a position to throw stones...there are some truths to this article such as: competition does NOT come close to combat however it does help with shooting fundamentals, and when your's or someone else's life is on the line make sure your gear is reliable, tested, and meets the needs of the mission. The 1911 vs other guns crap is all personal opinion as well as any 9 vs 45 implications. Take the article for what it's worth. Some of the statements are obvious to people, others may have never considered it before.

[Dingo]

Haha I barely trust my RIA 1911 at an IDPA match (and more than the competitors' les Baer or springfields) let alone to defend my life with. If its your life, it's a Glock.

Ah yes... there is another person like me out in the lonely gun interwebs.......

[Dingo]

I'm gonna say this, and then abandon this thread entirely before it degenerates into the dreaded 1911 vs Glock debate...

Now I'm by no means knowledgeable on every gun subject under the sun, and don't pretend to be. This is my experience only, before all the 1911 guys get butt-hurt and start complaining that the Army isn't using 1911's anymore "cuz they're dumb youngins". But I have owned well over 100 firearms (mainly handguns) over the years, and shot many more times that. The 1911 is the only factory gun that I'm personally aware of, in which gunsmiths specialize in making it reliable. "The Custom Reliability Package". Taurus tried to get it right by polishing the feed ramp and relieving the ejection port as a standard operation, but even the two Taurus PT1911's that I fired would often choke on stock ball ammo. (And no, I don't limpwrist my guns... it was a clean gun, with factory ammo, and years of shooting technique behind it.) Everybody's own Kimber/Baer/Springfield is of course, the magical rainbow-flavored exception to the rule which has never jammed, and feeds "flying ashtrays" like shit through a goose. But me? I'll take something that can hold more than 8 rounds, is boringly reliable straight out of the box, and doesn't need me to feed it a strict diet of expensive ammo, baby oil, and not hurt it's feelings.

[Dingo]

Also... absolutely anybody, with any level of training (or lack thereof), can pick up a Glock and expect it to fire every time they pull the trigger. Even if it's Jamal Chollo Tupac the 3rd, holding it sideways, limpwristing it, and treating it like it's a prop. Doesn't matter how you hold it, what you feed it, or what parts are installed on it. You don't have to learn a special grip, deal with safeties, or install custom parts.

Point, shoot, repeat.

[muddywings]

When it comes to training for combat, there is no substitute for someone shooting at you and trying to kill you.

So....I'll take what I can get which is why I just started competitive shooting. Better than standing still putting random holes in paper 15 feet away.

[buckeye4rnr]

When it comes to training for combat, there is no substitute for someone shooting at you and trying to kill you.

So....I'll take what I can get which is why I just started competitive shooting. Better than standing still putting random holes in paper 15 feet away.

What competitive shooting did you get into? I'm looking at it myself to switch up putting holes in paper.

[dwalker460]

Also... absolutely anybody, with any level of training (or lack thereof), can pick up a Glock and expect it to fire every time they pull the trigger. Even if it's Jamal Chollo Tupac the 3rd, holding it sideways, limpwristing it, and treating it like it's a prop. Doesn't matter how you hold it, what you feed it, or what parts are installed on it. You don't have to learn a special grip, deal with safeties, or install custom parts. Point, shoot, repeat.

Jamme...er ...Shot a Gen4 lately?
Glocks are nice pistols. I have one. Is a nice gun. It usually goes bang when I pull the trigger. It has in no way, shape or form demonstrated to me that it is a super pistol incapable of failure. Last local 3-gun match only one handgun on my squad the entire day had issues, and its initials were G-Lock. Doesnt mean they will all have issues, just that they are mechanical devices that will, at some point, fail.