Close
Page 1 of 6 123456 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 52

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    Gong Shooter keylay31's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Broomfield
    Posts
    370

    Thumbs down Legal Advice Needed - Littleton Photo Enforcement

    In February, I received a photo ticket addressed to me (owner of vehicle) for driving through a red light at 6am on a very snowy workday. At that time, I was asleep in bed, my wife was the one that was driving. The ticket came to me by mail, with pictures of my vehicle, a link to video of the incident, and a picture of the driver of the vehicle. All the pictures were clear except the driver shot, which was basically all white due to the snow. It was also accompanied by a bunch of threats for not paying the fine. Having talked with my wife, she felt that it was safer to continue through the just changed light rather than try to brake.

    My basic understanding is that they have to actually personally serve you the ticket within 90 days, so I figured I didn't have to pay it. But since the driver picture was so bad, AND since the ticketed person wasn't the one driving the vehicle, I figured I was free and clear. I sent in a Affidavit of Non-Responsibility (not naming the responsible party) and expected to never hear of it again. I figured they would take a second look at the driver shot and figure, there's no way we can prove it was him, etc etc

    Not so fast.... I get a Hearing Notification Letter yesterday in the mail that's says my Affidavit of Non-Responsibility was considered to be insufficient and I'm due to appear in court. If I choose not to appear, I waive the right to contest.

    So...
    1) Did I waive my right to be personally served by submitting the first affidavit?
    2) What would happen if I just didn't pay or show up?
    3) Since there is no picture of the driver, am I liable as the vehicle owner, or do they still have to prove guilt?
    4) What's the likelihood of getting the fine waived if I show up?

    I'm interested if anyone has any legal Expertise or similar experience. Thanks guys.
    Last edited by keylay31; 04-09-2013 at 09:47.

  2. #2
    Guest
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Elizabeth, CO
    Posts
    2,904

    Default

    I'm not a lawyer but I could have sworn photo tickets are not enforceable in CO. Ill let some other, more professional types, confirm that though. I'm curious too because I got one on my b day night. My DD ran a light on his way getting us all home.

  3. #3
    Zombie Slayer kidicarus13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Littleton
    Posts
    6,344

    Default

    It's my understanding that they are not enforceable without personal service. I was never concerned about the penalty related fines if I ignored those stupid traffic cameras. I've always worried about them sending the unpaid ticket to collections and screwing up my credit. You'll have many people say that they can't legally send an unpaid ticket to collections but if/when they do, now what? 2 months of letters and headaches to maybe get it resolved?
    Last edited by kidicarus13; 04-09-2013 at 09:44.
    Lessons cost money. Good ones cost lots. -Tony Beets

  4. #4
    I blame everything on Tummy Aches
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Brighton
    Posts
    7,688

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by kidicarus13 View Post
    It's my understanding that they are not enforceable without personal service. I was never concerned about the penalty related fines if I ignored those stupid traffic cameras. I've always worried about them sending the unpaid ticket to collections and screwing up my credit. You'll have many people say that they can't legally send an unpaid ticket to collections but if/when they do, now what? 2 months of letters and headaches to maybe get it resolved?
    This.

  5. #5
    Leatherneck Hayes
    Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by kidicarus13 View Post
    It's my understanding that they are not enforceable without personal service. I was never concerned about the penalty related fines if I ignored those stupid traffic cameras. I've always worried about them sending the unpaid ticket to collections and screwing up my credit. You'll have many people say that they can't legally send an unpaid ticket to collections but if/when they do, now what? 2 months of letters and headaches to maybe get it resolved?
    I've heard this but I agree with Ronin13 it'd be better to show up than risk getting a warrant issued

  6. #6
    Guest
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Colorado Springs
    Posts
    396

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by kidicarus13 View Post
    It's my understanding that they are not enforceable without personal service. I was never concerned about the penalty related fines if I ignored those stupid traffic cameras. I've always worried about them sending the unpaid ticket to collections and screwing up my credit. You'll have many people say that they can't legally send an unpaid ticket to collections but if/when they do, now what? 2 months of letters and headaches to maybe get it resolved?
    When you responded, you admitted accepting the notice. So they don't have to personally serve you. You shouldn't have acknowledged receiving the notice.

  7. #7
    Gong Shooter Dunecrazzy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Northglenn
    Posts
    344

    Default

    I just pay them. Be done with it.
    Last edited by Dunecrazzy; 04-09-2013 at 21:46.
    Quote Originally Posted by spleify
    The only person that is a bigger douche than Dog is Rich Wyatte(sp?) You know the guy that owns "pole smoke".......

  8. #8
    Grand Master Know It All Sharpienads's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Colorado Springs
    Posts
    3,403

    Default

    I can't offer any advice, but I will say that I think photo enforcement is a scam.
    Kyle

    Girlscouts? Hmmm, I don't know... I think it's kinda dangerous to teach young girls self esteem and leadership skills.

  9. #9

    Default

    I'd show up to court and tell them it wasn't you. It's up to them to prove it was.

  10. #10
    Sig Fantastic Ronin13's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Arvada, CO
    Posts
    10,268

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by RCCrawler View Post
    I'd show up to court and tell them it wasn't you. It's up to them to prove it was.
    I'm no lawyer- but best to show up, I'm not sure if they can, but you don't want to risk a FTA warrant.
    "There is no news in the truth, and no truth in the news."
    "The revolution will not be televised... Instead it will be filmed from multiple angles via cell phone cameras, promptly uploaded to YouTube, Tweeted about, and then shared on Facebook, pending a Wi-Fi connection."

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •