Colorado sheriffs plan lawsuit challenging state gun control laws

[roberth]

Well in my quest to grasp at silver linings, had the law suit succeeded and the laws been overturned then the issue would likely have been dead in November and wouldn't help Beauprez and that might be just enough to save Hick (and believe me, gun rights isn't the ONLY reason we need to get rid of Hick).

The anti Beauprez folk on the right would have less reason to hold their nose and vote for him and the pro-gun folk on the left (yes, there are a few of them) wouldn't feel the need to vote against their party and many pro-gun folk that are otherwise not politically engaged would have no reason to go the polls at all.

There are no pro-gun folk on the left...period....end of story. They cannot have their command economy, socialized medicine, federal prosecution of the Tea Party, federal disregard for the constitution, federal meddling in business, and then turn around and attempt to cloak themselves in the 2nd amendment. They can try but they need to be called on the carpet and forced to make a choice between tyranny and freedom, they cannot have both. Additionally, any votes they might make in favor of firearms are rendered moot in the face of the massive and wholly unconstitutional activities they and they people they support engage in.

[merl]

There are no pro-gun folk on the left...period....end of story. They cannot have their command economy, socialized medicine, federal prosecution of the Tea Party, federal disregard for the constitution, federal meddling in business, and then turn around and attempt to cloak themselves in the 2nd amendment. They can try but they need to be called on the carpet and forced to make a choice between tyranny and freedom, they cannot have both. Additionally, any votes they might make in favor of firearms are rendered moot in the face of the massive and wholly unconstitutional activities they and they people they support engage in.

So gun rights are something that cannot be embraced by everyone? They have to always be a partisan issue?
I would think both sides would agree (broadly) that the 4th & 5th are valid but it is impossible to agree on the 2nd?

[Rucker61]

Hey, at least we can smoke weed and marry dudes...

I don't think I could smoke that much weed.

[newracer]

C2AA responce, which I think is spot on.

On June 26th, 2014, Federal District Judge Marcia Krieger ruled to uphold Colorado’s gun laws banning magazines that hold more than 15 rounds and mandating a universal background check for personal firearm transfers. The very same gun laws that our sheriffs have said were unenforceable, that Governor Hickenlooper apologized for (and then apologized for apologizing) and even Judge Krieger and our Colorado Attorney General have agreed that the laws are not “good, sound or wise policy” (read more: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26...gun-ammunition).

Judge Krieger said “A court does not act as a super-legislature to determine the wisdom or workability of the legislation in question. Instead, it determines only whether legislation is constitutionally permissible. A law may be constitutional, but nevertheless, foolish, ineffective, or cumbersome to enforce.” She has effectively told Coloradans that while these laws are bad laws, it’s our problem and the court will not strike them down on the notion that they violate our constitutional rights. To read more about the court’s opinion: http://www.colorado2a.org/wp-content...ooke-order.pdf

Judge Kriger’s decision will be appealed to higher courts and as you may or may not know, the Independence Institute has led the charge on this lawsuit. Please visit http://coloradoguncase.org/ for more information on the case. To contribute to the cause, please visit the Independence Institute’s Sheriff’s lawsuit page at: http://www.i2i.org/saphomepage.php

While it is disheartening that a judge says bad laws are constitutional, even though they are obviously poorly written and unenforceable, it is our problem to deal with. Colorado voted in to office the very people that created these laws, voted for these laws and signed off on these laws. As you well remember, the people of Colorado also fired 2 of these legislators and caused another one to resign as retribution for ignoring not only the voices of Coloradans, but their right to choose as well. If we the people are the only ones that can fix this problem, then let’s get to work.

This November marks the time for all of us to stand up and tell the incumbent politicians that we won’t tolerate being dictated to. They work for us and we elect them to defend our rights, not violate them. Take note of the incumbents up for reelection that voted to take your right to choose how you defend yourself from you and vote them out of office. We do not need people in office that would seek to limit our freedoms by passing such ridiculous, cumbersome, poorly drafted and unenforceable laws; laws that only punish those who do not commit crimes in the first place.

Get up, spread the word and vote.

[roberth]

So gun rights are something that cannot be embraced by everyone? They have to always be a partisan issue?
I would think both sides would agree (broadly) that the 4th & 5th are valid but it is impossible to agree on the 2nd?

Not singly, the left may try but when they put people into office who vote consistently and thoroughly against gun rights their pro-gun efforts are self defeating.

It isn't partisan, it is liberty vs tyranny and the left embraces tyranny. This is something I am constantly amazed by, the talk by (D) in my office about freedom and then the next second they try to shut me down when I start explaining that gun control is about tyranny. They have no problem limiting my gun ownership or my thoughts on the economy, size of government, etc. They believe in freedom for themselves only, not everyone like I do.

Maybe the 5th but only so they can obfuscate it to allow them to continue their unconstitutional activities (Lois Lerner), I don't think for one second that the left would place any value on my 4th amendment rights and most leftists would be happy to see SWAT kick in my door and shoot me dead.

You need to understand something about leftists, they are incredibly selfish. When they look at the constitution they look at how it applies to themselves exclusively, they do not care if it applies to the right and they try to twist the constitution so it DOESN'T apply to the right. For example, the only 1st amendment rights they want are for them exclusively, the right doesn't have 1st amendment rights. Witness the fairness act where the left wants to shut down Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck et al, witness the shouting down of conservative speakers at various universities around the nation.

The constitution guarantees rights to all citizens and this is what the right wants, the left is attempting to change it to apply exclusively to just citizens who agree with the left, and the 2nd isn't part of that plan.

A person cannot expect to garner support for their own rights while simultaneously working to take rights away from others.

[O2HeN2]

Seems to me that the entire argument against the mag ban would be something along these lines: "You honor, do you believe that restricting ink to 15oz bottles and forcing newspapers to buy 15oz bottles of ink versus ink by the tanker truck truck would abridge the freedom of the press? If so, same goes for magazine capacity limits."

...or something along those lines...

O2

[Ridge]

There are no pro-gun folk on the left...period....end of story. They cannot have their command economy, socialized medicine, federal prosecution of the Tea Party, federal disregard for the constitution, federal meddling in business, and then turn around and attempt to cloak themselves in the 2nd amendment. They can try but they need to be called on the carpet and forced to make a choice between tyranny and freedom, they cannot have both. Additionally, any votes they might make in favor of firearms are rendered moot in the face of the massive and wholly unconstitutional activities they and they people they support engage in.

This is the kind of bullshit thinking that leads us to the fucked up political system we have nowadays. The Democrats aren't wrong on everything, and the Republicans sure as hell aren't right on everything.

[Zundfolge]

There are no pro-gun folk on the left...period....end of story.

I should have said "pro-gun Democrats" and yes there are quite a few "pro-gun Democrats" here in Colorado (and even a few "pro-gun leftists" ... one posts here under the name Nynco).

The Democrats aren't wrong on everything, and the Republicans sure as hell aren't right on everything.

You're half right, the Republicans aren't right on everything ... but I beg to differ on the Democrats, I can't find one issue where they aren't dead wrong on.

[roberth]

This is the kind of bullshit thinking that leads us to the fucked up political system we have nowadays. The Democrats aren't wrong on everything, and the Republicans sure as hell aren't right on everything.

LOL, you're the delusional one here, thinking you can have both. People like you, who want to stand in the middle and benefit from the largess of government, will be the first victims of the left. Cowardice like yours cost 70 million Chinese their lives during the Cultural Revolution, people like you stood idly by in Germany while Hitler rounded up millions and slaughtered them, your kind watched while Stalin murdered 20 million people after WWII.

The (D) is very nearly universally wrong on everything including The Constitution, economics, human rights vs human wants, welfare, healthcare, abortion, the Bill of Rights, land management, wildlife management, energy, and a host of others, the (R) is just as wrong on human rights vs human wants, welfare, homosexuality, government spending to name a few. The difference is that we have people on the right working to bring the (R) back to the right, back to true human rights, back to capitalism, back to economic growth, the (D) is doing none of those things.

The gun issue isn't about (D) or (R), this is about tyranny vs liberty and the (D) have definitely chosen tyranny.

[Ridge]

You're half right, the Republicans aren't right on everything ... but I beg to differ on the Democrats, I can't find one issue where they aren't dead wrong on.

Gay Marriage. Abortion.

LOL, you're the delusional one here, thinking you can have both. People like you, who want to stand in the middle and benefit from the largess of government, will be the first victims of the left. Cowardice like yours cost 70 million Chinese their lives during the Cultural Revolution, people like you stood idly by in Germany while Hitler rounded up millions and slaughtered them, your kind watched while Stalin murdered 20 million people after WWII.

The (D) is very nearly universally wrong on everything including The Constitution, economics, human rights vs human wants, welfare, healthcare, abortion, the Bill of Rights, land management, wildlife management, energy, and a host of others, the (R) is just as wrong on human rights vs human wants, welfare, homosexuality, government spending to name a few. The difference is that we have people on the right working to bring the (R) back to the right, back to true human rights, back to capitalism, back to economic growth, the (D) is doing none of those things.

The gun issue isn't about (D) or (R), this is about tyranny vs liberty and the (D) have definitely chosen tyranny.

Preach whatever you want, sleep snugly with your Mitt Romney plushie at night.